I'm sure you understand that this is going to be coming, but If you're so gung-ho on lynching rob, you really should have a case so we know why.

It's seven to lynch, and we have seven mostly active people (me, stoic, bazilisek, Twilight, Rodzaju, jefequeso and Primal.) So currently we are capable of making a lynch. Just have to decide who..!

I think people know where I stand who I find suspect. I'd be interested to hear others' thoughts.

I'm going to unvote stoic for now, since that's going nowhere fast. IGMEOY though. =_=

Unvote stoic

Xzyem would be my first choce, for the reasons previously stated.
It has been explained away as a badly worded post, but mostly by other people, rather than Xzyem himself, so I still have my suspicion.
Not a particularly strong case, but then there isn't much to go on as so many people are absent.

Take a look at our exchange on page 33.

Please use post numbers, not pages.

http://www.gog.com/en/forum/general/gog_forum_mafia_11_the_goghammer_festival/post644

http://www.gog.com/en/forum/general/gog_forum_mafia_11_the_goghammer_festival/post650

http://www.gog.com/en/forum/general/gog_forum_mafia_11_the_goghammer_festival/post654

Those basically sum up my reasons for thinking he's scum.

What else have we got...

The Baron's still gliding through...

Quad's... being Quad. Difficult to read. The reason for not voting really stands out like a sore thumb though. Re-read needed.

Rodzaju is playing unusually cautiously... Also wields two votes. I forgot about that. So between the seven more active players we actually have 8 votes.

Primal and I were occupied with the same gig a couple of weekends ago, but that doesn't excuse him now. =_=

GoJays popped up early on with the xzyem issue and then sort of submerged for a bit... Popped up again recently with a "I dunno what to make of this" post then disappeared again. Hmmm.

Detlik: can only hammer. worrying.

If we're considering Robb, Quad's #986 is an interesting addition to Jefe's gripes:
Still musing. More later.

Just got out of bed, so I hope my math is not off but I think even with a double vote we would need 100% unanimous consent or close to it in order to lynch. I think it's crucial to prod the inactives at this point.

Agree about Rodzaju, can't get a feel for what's going on with him. I've felt that way most of the game, he's been somewhat active but does not appear to be hunting too hard. I dunno yet.


Unvote NotFrenchYet while we're all reassessing the situation, but I still have my eye on you.

I do struggle with early game hunting.
If I see a clear slip, I will pick up on it & prod, but I won't blow things out of proportion or invent some imaginary transgression just to put someone under pressure.
This game has been harder than most as most of the players are either being very cagey or just absent....

Xzyem seems most suspicious to me too, but I cant do anything about it due to my role

I would be a lot more active, but my role is...well uneasy for a new player.

If we lynch him in his absence... okay we thin lurkers for later, but that also leaves us with another unuseable bandwagon...

I dunno. It bothers me that xzyem didn't add his own defence of that point of GoJays' in #827. But other than that I don't think he's been all that scummy... Other than his lurkering.

Remembering bits of Rod's play on D1 (summarised in #877) combined with his affirmation of wanting to sit back and watch until someone screws up makes me nervous though. That's exactly the kind of passivity that made D1 such a chore... What we keep seeing from Rod is waiting for someone else to stir something up, then he starts fanning the flames, either with a vote or with a comment. Off the top of my head, Damuna-wagon at "L3", xzyem pressure vote, suspicion at those attacking GoJays' case...

No town reads from me. I don't trust any of you. :P At the moment I could be persuaded to get behind a wagon on stoic, rodzaju or red_baron.

Robbeasy and xzyem I'm in two minds about (I genuiniely think Robb's been pretty scummy so far, but I'd rather argue with him about it beforehand than just execute him), and I think if the deadline approaches and we're STILL no nearer to coming to an agreement we should think about taking out one of those two. It's not ideal, but this game isn't turning out to be ideal either..! (No offence meant to Damnation there.) Who knows, the prospect of a quick lynch might make someone slip up.

Busy week, will be able to post tonight and over the weekend though. This is just a check in post, I haven't actually caught up with the last few days posts.

Woa, finally I got my head pulled down at the laptop to read the last 3 pages and try to somewhat compile a picture in my head the game - Though I believe I need to do that a couple of times before my usual game activity appears - So much stuff keeps crawling up and disrupting one. Anyway lets see if I can get some of the stuff going I was considering while reading.

A lot of thoughts coming up.. bear with me

Oh and just to confirm that I've have seen that Rod was proven :P

Well that is part of my troubles for getting into this again. It really depends on the point of view I take when reading this. My preferred point of view is that you NFY found a correct target and then his two buddies tried to save him (him being stoic)... The reason of that is due to me agreeing with NFY before the others got involved, with stoics post giving me a scummy vibe and with some arguments that reminded me of a was it game 10? But now comes the reason why I can't believe that point of view, as there is several things speaking against it. The likeliness of 3 mafias being part of the 7 active and all of them gunning for NFY.. minimal at best. The case from game 10 I was considering was between me and what was his name..? Anyway, in that one I had a good argument and the argument against it was exactly lopsided to be pointing only at the flaw I made in the argument. Now this reminds me of this case, where stoic primarily agrees with TB and Baz and then mentions his Damuna argument.. But in the game 10 I am thinking about, I was thirdparty and the guy I was convinced was scum, was actually town cop. So wtf? Makes it hard to judge for this case. On the other view I also see it making sense if I look as stoic being the new guy and the others being TB and Baz taking that stance. Hence I don't see anyone of them giving enough of a case to lynch the other. I could go with lynching stoic due to how scummy his post felt to me, but with the recent posts by Baz and TB I don't see that as surely as I did before my absence, but the similar applies to NFY - whom I don't see lynched either. Hence I will take a third view and look at TwilightBard whom I find to have made a little switch which bother me.

Initially in this Stoic/NFY case he is gunning for stoic, then when NFY asks of his thoughts in regards of NFY's other points his reply turns into a defense for stoic and he ends by saying the very argument Baz had pointed out against NFY. The same argument... and then when NFY responded to him, he didn't respond to her. (Just to clarify, I am aware that TB didn't leave stoic out of the picture, but I want to hear more as to TB's reason). And as someone also mentioned that we should use our votes more: vote TwilightBard until I see more in regards of his reply to NFY's reply.

And yes, I am still mostly for stoic being the scum of the two. Hope someone makes sense of this thought pattern enough to get what I mean :P

Damnit man, where are you‽

Come back so we can lyn- so you can defend yourself!