Honestly, I have never played a game in my life. However, I have read tons and tons of them since 2003 or 2004. I started out reading them in the old Ctrl-Alt-Del (the web-comic) forum. They mostly played Werewolf there, but the same strategies apply. I also read a few on the Nuklear Power (another comic site) forum. Mostly, I read the archives at mafiascum.net.

I was reading this one here the same way; only decided to join when it looked like the game might fall apart. I guess, like when I read any decent mystery novel, I wanted to see the ending ;).

Yeah, it was a typo, I actually meant the post above the only I mentioned. When I posted that, I about 5 hours (non-consecutive) sleep in a ~48 hour period, so I was a little loopy. I was just excited to finally get to post; been chomping at the bit for about a week waiting on Damnation to give me my role :). I have had enough sleep since, so my posts should be a little better. However, as I noted previously, I tend to make a lot of silly typos and such.

I apologize but I'm not the best at reading people, so I'm not sure how much validity this list will be but... here's what I'm leaning towards (I'll just copy the list from stoic :D):

Sirprimalform - neutral-slightly leaning scum. I've never really truly tried to analyze his posts and his behaviour though.

Bazilisek - leaning town

TwilightBard - slightly leaning scum

Rodzaju - leaning town. I'll say leaning town just because of his role, but otherwise he probably would have struck me as kind of scummy.

QuadrAlien - neutral. I really don't have much data to go either way on him so... just neutral for now.

Detlik - neutral.

Robbeasy - leaning scum

stoicsentry - leaning town

Red_Baron - slightly leaning scum

jefequeso - neutral

NotFrenchYet - leaning scum. was kind of neutral but now leaning more and more towards scum.

Krypsyn: leaning scum. Well... since I thought xzyem was scummy, I'm going to keep that view unless Krypsyn changes it.

Not a bad idea to do this though, good way of maybe injecting some new information or discussion topics into the game. I actually almost forgot about QuadrAlien until this list. Hopefully he'll show up soon.

Check in - welcome Krypsyn! Even though you voted me. xD More when I get back from poking people with swords...

I had to really. You are worse than French, you actually aspire to be French! You probably live in Paris too, or something... GAH! The humanity. All other guilty actions in the game aside, these French tendencies of yours would force my hand! I kid, I kid... well, except for the part about being a Parisienne; I much prefer Southern France ;).

Oh, wait... the joke vote posting phase was months ago? Well, let me have this one since I missed it. Deal? :) (my previous vote for her stands for legitimate reasons, of course)

Okay, just read the latest post - But honestly don't really have the time to make a proper comment.

Just a short one in regards of the post you seem to have qualms about Krypsyn, the reason for it is basically my total inactivity - which I guess others knows as well. Too much have been happening around me and since I weren't caught in a discussion or something similar I tended to down prioritize mafia (a shame really).

At any rate, I am nearing a point where I get some time again.. hopefully at least in the weekend - and I'll try again to explain it. (And btw: You were correct to assume that the post 1065 is me trying to follow up on the stuff I mentioned before going awol.. again :( But yea - I need to get back into the game so the usual RB as rob put it, returns (even if it always makes people consider me scummy with my oddly and confusing, if not to mention very lengthy posts even when I try my best to make them short :P))

Also you views of NFY is interesting as they come from another newer source not the implicated in the whole blam, and I begin to wonder if I am just to impeded into that whole thing looking at it from NFY point of view and attributing the scummy behavior I see from stoic to exactly that instead of newness. Finally I felt it was, how to say it, too easy, which was something I kinda circled around in the confusing one, meaning that it seems to be the jumper. But oh well - more thoughts and a bit more meaning I guess when I get time again. And no, I am not dropping it ;) I just might take some time between posts due to time constrain - however if I do get involved in something like discussion, it might motivate me into checking in even during lack of time :).

I am glad you posted your thoughts :). I am a little confused about the above sentence though. Do you mean it was too easy to find stoicsentry guilty? Also, the idiom (am guessing) about 'the jumper' is new to me. Does it mean that the fact that it seemed so easy makes you take notice of it?

If that line means what I think it means, then I pretty much agree. What really troubled me about the NotFrenchYet argument with stoicesentry is that it was, at least to me, such a weak argument, but then you and jefequeso added your votes without much fanfare. It could all be innocent, but it [/]looks[/i] very scummy. Scum often tries to get in early on bandwagons without adding much to the argument (or by adding arguments that they are sure won't gain much traction); the better to not draw attention to themselves. So, whether your actions are innocent or not, you and Jefequeso earned my suspicion. Since I already suspected NFY in the stoicsentry/NFY debate, I just lumped all of you into the 'suspected scum category' when you decided to support her with weak or strange (at least to me) arguments.

Just checking in - still got a few RL issues, but will be posting my thoughts within a day or two - I'm comfortable leaving my vote on NFY in the meantime, hasn't done anything to convince me I should remove it.

Sorry my posting hasn't been up to my usual standards - can I just make a plea that no-one does any meta-gaming and compares this game to others I have played - I've had a shift in personal circumstances which means my attention hasn't always been focused...

Yea, that was the intended meaning, though counting both ways if that makes sense. Let me try to elaborate. When the stoic thing by NFY first popped up I was reading it and thinking huh, strange - but I don't really agree with it and its the potential easier target for a lynch, due to him being new. Then they continued to debate and I was somewhat following along in my reduced activity state and then Stoic made his post 911which was kinda where I began siding along side NFY.

Let me try to explain it, and as I've just reread it I am rather certain my siding with NFY steams from my own experience in a prior game.

The Damuna stuff is discussed and mention quite a bit by Stoic, and then NFY in my opinion makes a humor post about it, point out the little need for stoic to be considering it as he is. He choses to respond to them - not by answering the question NFY actually said, but by stating what he is mad about right now. Now that says to me that he is still thinking about it and not that he is answering a question, as he is really not.

Now NFY makes what I would say a similar post as before, a humoring of him and stating that he shouldn't be mad about wasting time, since stuff can still be used.

Then we enter the more troubled time, since Stoic ask about the "at it again" and NFY replies this time connecting it with more of an accusation. (I somewhat tend to agree with since he didn't answer a question of hers, he wrote his current stuff he was "mad" about and I saw little need to do that). Now begins the point where my siding with NFY begins, when Stoic claims to only have answered direct questions (Which I already stated I disagree with).
Some more discussions, Twilightbard chimes in with a good post, that down adjusted my view of stoic a bit (chalking it up to new and aggressive, but his reply still felt at odds with me and Baz also comments about some of the trouble with it). NFY is starting some talk about Xzyem, and this is were Stoic then come in and comments positive about Xzyem, now you, without any reason. When asked about it by NFY he gives a reply (we're now at the post 911) where reasons that since he didn't vote him he didn't have a change of heart.. (What he did write however did show a change of opinion). Then follows what made me fairly certain Stoic is scum.

He begins the case with the "questions" NFY asked him.. well she didn't ask him direct questions, nor did he answer those she actually wrote. Making that argument of his see very strange to me. Then he makes a completly wrong accusation attributing something NFY said in post 900.. which was made by me and didn't mention anything of the sort, nor did any of those close to it. Then he returns to those "supposed" questions... as a third argument. His final one is one big bullshit about Xzyem argument, basically stating he sees no reason for why he should change his opinion and what he could gain from it.. the argument makes little sense and he even mentions one of the best reasons as to why he could have done it, then just shrugs it of, even though it would be a decent strategy for a mafia to do in regards of a fellow mafia... finally ending his case stating the same reasons which one part is false (at least false attributed to post 900) and the other is plain wrong.

So yea - the terrible case with the false arguments makes me consider him scum. (And I can't see how is is NFY who has the bad case, since in reality she was the one defending, not the attacker in the general picture).

Well now you got mine, I don't think I ever got my thoughts down properly, but now I took the time to it.. and by doing so realized something I could see as a connection. But lets wait with that (if it is as I think it is, then I bet you know what I mean) ;)

I had forgotten this part about Xzyem. It actually makes me think he is town even more. Or, he is a serial killer, maybe. I am pretty sure he is not part of the mafia, for the reasons he stated.

I am actually fine with his posts, and I thought he DID answer the relevant question NFY asked him. From my point of view, she did kind of box him into a no-win situation by asking him about Damuna then asking him why he kept dwelling on Damuna. I think these are what you thought of as joke posts? If they were joke posts, I certainly didn't the the humor m(not the first time, so maybe you are right). As for quoting the wrong post, I don't think he was trying to mislead; I think he genuinely made a mistake.

Yeah, I think I do, actually. You are wrong, but I have no real way to convince you that I am not scum. My only defense is a question I will ask you: "Are my actions pro-town or pro-scum so far?" Am I trying to hide, or let other people hide? Do I seem to be obfuscating in any manner? My only goal here is to have everyone go on record with their gut-feelings about everyone other player. I would like this to be done before a huge bandwagon forms on anyone, actually, to keep scum from stacking the deck in such a way to look more innocent. On that note...

unvote NotFrenchYet

I still think she is scum, but until everyone (or at least everyone but jefequeso, for the next 3 weeks) goes on record with their feelings, I will withhold my vote.

EBWOP

On rereading, I don't know that I was clear with the first things I said in the previous post. I don't think stoicsentry is a serial-killer, or any other kind of scum. However, his rationale only works for being part of the mafia, since they know everyone else that is NOT in the mafia. Serial killers do not have this luxury, so they can't pick and choose when to get on or off a bandwagon with certitude like mafiates can.

But you're Xzyem!

Haha... yeah... but I read those posts before I even offered to join the game. At that point I wasn't internalizing attacks on xzyem as attacks on me. When I went back to read it, it had new significance to me, obviously.

Also you attributed the serial killer suggestion to yourself - meaning xzyem not stoic as you wrote in your post 1214 :P

Anyway - I don't really believe it to be that easy - though am glad you see what I mean. Simply put if one follows the logic that stoic is scum, then it would be in his attention to put focus on someone else like NFY when a chance rose and appear initially to be against xzyem for later to redraw. Supporting the notion would then be the very odd remark by the beginning player xzyem.

Looking at another angle the two things doesn't connect at all and I don't know.

Still Krypsyn let me qoute the "questions" of NFY and stoics replies:

(post 871) I could understand it if she was in fact scum, but why are you so bothered about it? If you HAD pushed the lynch through, she would STILL have flipped town, no matter how weird her play was...

To this Stoic replies (post 873):
[i]If it helps, here's a list of what I'm mad about right now, in no particular order:

1) At myself, for wasting time on Damuna.

2) At Damuna, for making me waste my time.

3) At the inactivity and lack of cooperation among all townies on day 1. Other than Damuna at a target, all we had was two townies pointing fingers at each other, and they both end up getting lynched. They said 1st day is supposed to be rough, but at least we can try to talk more.[/i]

How is that a direct question and how is that answer to the question? Hell its not even answers, its his feelings at the moment.

See my drift? At any rate I forgot to say that I am glad to see you the game with some activity to boost and that the thing about a former game of mine feeling like this, is in relation to where I was having a discussion in was it game10? And a lot of stuff just ignored by one side aggressively and repeatedly stating the same thing again and again. (A effective tactic btw).

Here are the posts:

Basically, NFY was putting words in my mouth. She tried to tell me what I was doing/how I was feeling about the issue. So perhaps the word "answers" isn't right, maybe "corrections" is more appropriate.

Clarifying the last post:

I never said I was "up in arms about not being able to push the lynch through on Damuna." Why would anyone be? It doesn't make any sense. Damuna got lynched anyway. So even if I was scum why the heck would I be upset that the lynch didn't get pushed through?

Additionally, my response is to account for this so-called "obsession" that I had with Damuna, an "obsession" that I was 100% willing to drop until NFY kept calling me obsessed about it. You almost make it sound like you wouldn't want me to reply. I'm not going to just sit there and let her accuse me of "obsession" without explaining myself.


This I don't get at all. I didn't put any focus on NFY to begin with, she put it on me. She then pushed and pushed and pushed. It took several hundred posts before I finally started to get suspicious and put a vote on her.

The Xzyem thing: she made a huge deal out of the fact that I "flip flopped," which just makes no sense. Consider that there were some who voted for Xzyem and then unvoted at some point. That all happened and apparently for her that arose no suspicions. But for some reason it was a big deal that I couldn't make up my mind on him? Why?