I suspect Xzyem most, but thanks to my role, I cant do squat.

Well Delik said what his reason for not voting was.. somewhat softclaiming. But no, we're not having a mass claim and I am slightly suspicious of you claiming while attacking.

Attacking?

Sure. This post is a straight response to this question; more thoughts later...

Pre-argument, I was suspicious of stoic because (in order of significance):

1a. post #829: Stoic adds to Gojays' observations against xzyem and calls it "a compelling case". Later in #885 he feels xzyem is probably town.
1b. I asked him what made him change his mind, and he exploded on me.

2. back on D1 around #317, Stoic posted that he was suprised I didn't have a read on him one way or another.

3. he was involved in every discussion early on D2 about yesterday's modkill.

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After the argument, I've added the following points:

- premptive OMGUS

- 1/3 of his initial case against me was blatently misattributed. (And he says I'M making a weak case?)

- refusal to address my questioning of part of his argument against me (#912, 2b. Repeated in #930)

- Ironically, stoic is insisting that my case started with Damuna (#931). When a) it didn't and b) I repeatedly stated it's a minor point of my suspicion Yes I agree, it's a weak point, and yes, that's my fault, I accept that. In fact I'd really prefer to drop the idea completely.

- Vanilla claim out of the blue, after apparently skimming the thread ("weren't there others?" suggests he wasn't really paying attention. Only mafia can afford not to pay attention in the middle of a Day).

Ok if by 1/3rd you mean one sentence...

You know what? I'm with NFY here. Stoic is acting scummy. And since there's not much of anything going on, I see no harm in starting to put pressure on him.

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OK... I've stated my piece though, not much more to add. I am, indeed, town.

Well, then, I suppose there's no use putting pressure on you.

I still suspect you, however. So vote stands.

I'll be AWOL till Sunday/Monday I'm afraid... :< Sorry folks. Meanwhile I'd appreciate it if people could give an opinion on the argument/cases...

Bad timing, considering the post just above, but as I was looking through the whole NFY/Stoic clash, I came across something rather interesting. NotFrenchYet's #871, particularly this:
Does anyone else see the problem? Why would she attribute specifically Vitek's death to a serial killer? Why not nmillar's? From where I'm standing, both kills look exactly the same.

It seems to me Frenchie knows something a townie would have no business knowing.

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I'll dig through the whole thing some more, but I thought this was worth sharing.

Well noticed, Bazilisek - though there was admittedly some speculation over which kill was which, we had nothing terribly concrete.

However, given that NFY's away until whenever, you'll forgive me if my current selection goes off at a tangent a bit in order to make up for lost time due to work, effects of free releases, etc...

Vote Robbeasy.

On 3 points:

1) Your selection of targets to start building stacks on ended after Damnation declared he'd do a modkill if needed on day 1.

2) Post #646:
Something I've noticed about you from game #7. You start sentences with suggestions of how the mafia would behave during a day when you're giving advice to your scumbuddies.

3) The death of nmillar. The weakest of my three theories, admittedly, but he's a preferred target of yours.

I'm not quite sure if the three points mesh together entirely yet, but blast it, I need to attempt to enter a shouting match if I'm going to get my post count up to something reasonable, and it's the most plausible theory I have at the moment. :P

I was writing this post I've been preparing in my head for some time, but then it mushroomed into something not specific to this game, so I posted it here instead. I'd appreciate it if you read it anyway, though.

I don't think I have much to add to this particular game at this point other than that Xzyem's absence is starting to worry me. For later reference, his last post was #861 dated March 29, also known as "two weeks ago". We might be stretching rule 11 a bit too thin again.

I have to say, I think that not only is 3 weak, it just doesn't work. It's too Meta-Gamey to really be a worthwhile argument. It really is a reach because they have fun poking at each other. Why not suspect Rod since he and nmillar go at it almost every game too?

Point 1, is sorta odd as well, and Point 2 is meta-gamey too, but it's worth a look.

@Baz...Damn, ok, that's pretty incriminating as it is. And it's definitely worth looking into, although I'll save pressure until NFY comes back.

I'm concerned about how quick Stoic was pushing his role out though. I'm not quite sure why, because the unprovoked role claim when there's a bit of pressure doesn't serve anyone. A lot of these unprovoked claims are worrying me to be honest, but Stoic's didn't really serve anything, at least Rod's could move the game forward while relieving us of worry at who Unknown is.

Sorry bout that, I saw Rod do it and I thought Detlik did too? I'm new to the game, so when I saw others doing it, I thought we were all on board. Not trying to make an excuse or anything but at least bear that in mind, I'm learning on the fly.

Problem is that you only seemed aware that someone claimed, not who claimed. (You asked who claimed other Rod and I answered in regards of Delik). Of course your question can also be read as a rhetorical question, where you knew the answer. But thats not the feeling I got from it. So while I do keep in mind that your new, you have also been active (which is good for the game .P) on the attack and as such you will have to expect some flak when those oddities of yours shows. Same with the reaction vote towards NFY (but how that in total ranks up I am not sure, since I am reevaluating my idea of you being the most suspicious of you and NFY, after Bazilizeks spot and thus waiting until I hear more from NFY).

Just for next time, if there is some mass claim going on you will not be in doubt.. For one thing it will have been discussed before. Randomly started mass claims for no reason I have yet to see.

Still waiting to hear how the secret vote was used as a breadcrumb?