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timppu: There may be at least one good reason to prefer running outdoors to indoors, though. Maybe I've mentioned it here before (even in this thread?), but running/walking outside jogs your brain (hippocampus) because unlike on treadmill, you'll need to use your spatial awareness. Good reason also to switch off GPS while driving, unless you desperately need it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40138522/ns/health-mental_health/t/gps-addict-it-may-be-eroding-your-brain/

I saw also another study where they were comparing people who train indoors (lifting weights in a gym) to people who walk outside, and found the same "shrinking hippocampus" with the people training only indoors, but they didn't make the link to spatial awareness. In fact, they concluded (IMHO wrong) that the reason for this is aerobic (walking outside) vs anaerobic (gym) exercises, but in order to make such a conclusion they should have had a third control group doing aerobic exercises indoors.

I personally prefer e.g. swimming (indoors) though, especially now when it has been rather cold in here. I swim 2km every Saturday, on top of MA exercises that's pretty much the aerobic exercise I get (and need, frankly). I guess my hippocampus is shrinking fast as well, not much spatial awareness needed in the pool. Maybe I should take a second job as a taxi driver.
Honestly, without comparing it to sports, it's somewhat meaningless. You do use more spacial reasoning jogging than you do when you're on the treadmill, but most of the decisions that are being made in that regards are not terribly complicated.

I'd rather see a study that compared it against sports, particularly ones like basketball, baseball or tennis where there's a significant amount of spacial reasoning.

Personally, I like to play ping pong alternating between hands each round as it really helps my coordination out.
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wodmarach: So I went to the docs today for my yearly checkup and found out I'm 230lbs >.< (We have no scales in the house) I have never been this heavy in my life so it's time to lose some weight (and hopefully alleviate the apparent sports induced asthma I've developed) Since I'm currently paying for a wedding and am unemployed I can't join a gym as much as I'd like to but there are some nice long orienteering routes in my local park...

But to get to the actual point of this does anyone have ideas for what I can do on a hugely restricted budget and/or good websites to keep my motivation up.
Lifehacker just reported on this today: http://lifehacker.com/5885620/20-minutes-of-interval-training-is-enough-to-improve-your-health?tag=health

Be a bit careful of your joints. A lot of experts are recommending against stretches for non-atheletes these days, so maybe do a short, 3 minute warm up.
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lukaszthegreat: lol
I only run on treadmills. with tv or at least a comic book in front of me. Running outside is so frigging boring I simply could not gather strength to do it.
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timppu: There may be at least one good reason to prefer running outdoors to indoors, though. Maybe I've mentioned it here before (even in this thread?), but running/walking outside jogs your brain (hippocampus) because unlike on treadmill, you'll need to use your spatial awareness. Good reason also to switch off GPS while driving, unless you desperately need it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40138522/ns/health-mental_health/t/gps-addict-it-may-be-eroding-your-brain/

I saw also another study where they were comparing people who train indoors (lifting weights in a gym) to people who walk outside, and found the same "shrinking hippocampus" with the people training only indoors, but they didn't make the link to spatial awareness. In fact, they concluded (IMHO wrong) that the reason for this is aerobic (walking outside) vs anaerobic (gym) exercises, but in order to make such a conclusion they should have had a third control group doing aerobic exercises indoors.

I personally prefer e.g. swimming (indoors) though, especially now when it has been rather cold in here. I swim 2km every Saturday, on top of MA exercises that's pretty much the aerobic exercise I get (and need, frankly). I guess my hippocampus is shrinking fast as well, not much spatial awareness needed in the pool. Maybe I should take a second job as a taxi driver.
Yeah, but I don't get cold rain down the back of my neck on my treadmill and therefor it's easier to convince my ass to get in gear and do it.
Post edited February 16, 2012 by orcishgamer
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wodmarach: So I went to the docs today for my yearly checkup and found out I'm 230lbs >.< (We have no scales in the house) I have never been this heavy in my life so it's time to lose some weight (and hopefully alleviate the apparent sports induced asthma I've developed) Since I'm currently paying for a wedding and am unemployed I can't join a gym as much as I'd like to but there are some nice long orienteering routes in my local park...

But to get to the actual point of this does anyone have ideas for what I can do on a hugely restricted budget and/or good websites to keep my motivation up.
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orcishgamer: Lifehacker just reported on this today: http://lifehacker.com/5885620/20-minutes-of-interval-training-is-enough-to-improve-your-health?tag=health

Be a bit careful of your joints. A lot of experts are recommending against stretches for non-atheletes these days, so maybe do a short, 3 minute warm up.
Ultimately it's sound advice, there's nothing wrong with people doing stretches, the main problem is that people tend to do them wrong and end up hurting themselves more than if they didn't bother stretching. Stretching the muscles is OK and shouldn't require any warm up, provided that you go gently and aren't trying to push the range of motion by too much.

In general though, if you don't know how, don't. The consequences of stretching tendons and ligaments are not good in the long term.
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orcishgamer: Lifehacker just reported on this today: http://lifehacker.com/5885620/20-minutes-of-interval-training-is-enough-to-improve-your-health?tag=health

Be a bit careful of your joints. A lot of experts are recommending against stretches for non-atheletes these days, so maybe do a short, 3 minute warm up.
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hedwards: Ultimately it's sound advice, there's nothing wrong with people doing stretches, the main problem is that people tend to do them wrong and end up hurting themselves more than if they didn't bother stretching. Stretching the muscles is OK and shouldn't require any warm up, provided that you go gently and aren't trying to push the range of motion by too much.

In general though, if you don't know how, don't. The consequences of stretching tendons and ligaments are not good in the long term.
As you say the consequences of doing it wrong can be pretty severe and they keep coming up with bupkiss for benefits to non-atheletes (statistically) in their more recent studies, at least that's what they keep claiming. How much of that is simply because the non-atheletes generally don't know how to do it I have no idea.
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orcishgamer: As you say the consequences of doing it wrong can be pretty severe and they keep coming up with bupkiss for benefits to non-atheletes (statistically) in their more recent studies, at least that's what they keep claiming. How much of that is simply because the non-atheletes generally don't know how to do it I have no idea.
Bupkiss is a bit of an exaggeration, as long as you're doing it correctly over time you shouldn't be getting much in the way of gains in range of mobility unless you're focusing on that.

But, done properly, stretching can help one maintain range of motion into old age and goes a long way to preventing things like back aches that tend to cause people a lot of suffering over time. (I should be clear that I'm not advocating any stretching of the back that might affect connective tissue, just decompression of the spinal column)
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orcishgamer: As you say the consequences of doing it wrong can be pretty severe and they keep coming up with bupkiss for benefits to non-atheletes (statistically) in their more recent studies, at least that's what they keep claiming. How much of that is simply because the non-atheletes generally don't know how to do it I have no idea.
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hedwards: Bupkiss is a bit of an exaggeration, as long as you're doing it correctly over time you shouldn't be getting much in the way of gains in range of mobility unless you're focusing on that.

But, done properly, stretching can help one maintain range of motion into old age and goes a long way to preventing things like back aches that tend to cause people a lot of suffering over time. (I should be clear that I'm not advocating any stretching of the back that might affect connective tissue, just decompression of the spinal column)
Well, like I said, it's their claims not mine:)

I'd suggest doing some research and deciding how much stretching is right for anyone embarking on an exercise program. My only thought in warning people is that a lot of people starting new programs after periods of inactivity and the thinking and "developments" (a term that you should take loosely) seem to have changed a lot recently. I guess it's been a terribly long time since I was enrolled in anything one might term as exercise science or health, I'm getting old:)
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orcishgamer: Yeah, but I don't get cold rain down the back of my neck on my treadmill and therefor it's easier to convince my ass to get in gear and do it.
Come on, sports is not supposed to be neat and tidy. Sweat all over, irony taste of blood in the mouth, snot gushing out of all thinkable and unthinkable orifices etc. Just like our forefathers killing mammoths with bare teeth.

But I guess I get your point. At least there are probably better looking babes near a treadmill than a mammoth.
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orcishgamer: Yeah, but I don't get cold rain down the back of my neck on my treadmill and therefor it's easier to convince my ass to get in gear and do it.
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timppu: Come on, sports is not supposed to be neat and tidy. Sweat all over, irony taste of blood in the mouth, snot gushing out of all thinkable and unthinkable orifices etc. Just like our forefathers killing mammoths with bare teeth.

But I guess I get your point. At least there are probably better looking babes near a treadmill than a mammoth.
Well, my treadmill is sitting about 3 feet from me right now. I guess I could put up some rotating wallpapers of some babes while I work out:)
guess I should have posted in here before now , it always looked interesting but I'm lazy and anti social :)

any way today I have the fun of running my first half marathon been training for a few months for it and not expecting any trouble but still I'm nervous can't sleep and now my legs are cramping

all in all still expecting to have an easyish time of it
I started training my lower body for the first time today, mainly with dumb bells - squats, calf raises and lunges. Anything else I should incorporate into this?
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meowstef: guess I should have posted in here before now , it always looked interesting but I'm lazy and anti social :)

any way today I have the fun of running my first half marathon been training for a few months for it and not expecting any trouble but still I'm nervous can't sleep and now my legs are cramping

all in all still expecting to have an easyish time of it
Grats bro!
Post edited February 25, 2012 by lowyhong
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timppu: There may be at least one good reason to prefer running outdoors to indoors, though.
I can think of plenty, mainly depending on where you live.

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lowyhong: I started training my lower body for the first time today, mainly with dumb bells - squats, calf raises and lunges. Anything else I should incorporate into this?
Deadlift?
Post edited February 25, 2012 by Primate
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lowyhong: I started training my lower body for the first time today, mainly with dumb bells - squats, calf raises and lunges. Anything else I should incorporate into this?
You should be doing fewer exercises. Just learn to do proper butt to the floor bodyweight squats and you shouldn't have to specifically exercise anything else.

There isn't any need to do any of those other exercises unless you're into body building. If you want actual functional strength, all you need is squats. Do yourself a favor though and start out with shoulderstand squats if you can, I hate them, but they do a good job of giving a good position from which to build.
Cool thanks for the advice man.
If anyone wants to PM me that's had energy issues and found a solution, I'd appreciate this. I'm going to speak to my doctor and want as much info going in as possible. I had to go on Prednisone for a week and suddenly I felt like I did when I was 25 again. It sounds strange, but it felt "normal". As in I feel strangely shitty most days and when my energy levels are more normal I do the things that I want and need to do (including exercise), eat well, and feel positive.

It's not worth feeling shitty every day if I can prevent it. I'm not that old or unhealthy.
What's your daily diet consist of, brah?