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Posted November 18, 2011
If you've been checking out the news on gaming sites around the 'Net, you've very possibly heard that GOG has announced some exciting news about our plan for 2012 and beyond.

In particular, there are three main elements that make up our announced path for the next few years: adding newer games to the catalog, focusing on continuing our impressive growth, and bringing exclusive game releases to GOG.com. There are a few common questions we've seen about this, so before we link you to some of these discussions online, we thought we'd create a quick FAQ for you.

Q: Oh no! GOG.com is never going to sell another classic PC game again and my favorite game never made it here!

A: Don't worry, GOG.com will continue to release classic PC games. We are, however, looking to expand the availability window of games on GOG, so we won't focus only on PC classics anymore.

Q: Isn't your name Good Old Games? It seems kind of silly to sell new games on an old gaming website.

A: We've always been about our core values: DRM-free games, flat prices worldwide, and extra goodies included in our releases. So don't think about us as "Good Old Games"; think of us as "GOG.com", and perhaps you can work your way around that objection. ;)

Q: I see your terrible plot! When you guys start selling games with DRM, I will leave the Internets in disgust and never return.

A: Don't worry: we're devoted to those three core values that we mentioned above, and we know that if we ever abandoned them we'd quickly become just another digital distributor. Our goal is to become the best alternative digital distributor out there: the guys who do it differently, who respect their customers, and who can help change what the industry is doing as a result.


If you have any other pressing questions about our future plans, feel free to ask them in the forum and we'll do our best to answer as many as we can. Keep in mind that we can't always answer questions you ask for a variety of reasons, so apologies in advance if you happen to ask one of those kinds of questions.
Posted December 30, 2011
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Tormentfan: This news doesn't do anything crazy like worry me, but it certainly does concern me.

1. It's been stated there will be no loss of focus on older games.... I don't see how this is possible, with the different working relationships that will have to be set up and the hoops that GOG will have to jump through for this extension to their business to work, then ABSOLUTELY INEVITABLY the focus will be moved from what we accept as "good old" to what will probably be classed as "newer old"... and there are far too many old games missing from GOG's offerings for any emphisis to be lost there.... we ALREADY see proof of a move away from the the "Good Old" mindset with us being persuaded that GOG is just a name, instead of being the acronym we know it to be... The shift has started, that much is obvious.

2. It will all probably still "work", but there a few things that I DO NOT want to see happen.... For certain, the publishers are going to (try to?) persude GOG to take their crap.. all of the bullshit quality games (that we KNOW are bullshit, that being the reason we wouldn't touch them first time round) are now going to be re-pimped to us, so the overall quality of GOG's offerings will certainly be reduced in terms of pure numbers (GOG will HAVE to sell their shit in order to get access to the 'better' releases and the shit FAR OUTWEIGHS the quality) more shit to wade through plus you just KNOW that the 'first' offerings are going to be The Sims, FIFA and EA's sports titles, add in the built in obsolescance of yearly itterations and removal of activation servers (you do know that the big publishers don't consider activation to be DRM, right?) and I'm left with a horrible sinking feeling that we'll get releases with a limited shelf life or online features being unavailable.

3. Also what I don't want to see is a dirth of $20 games.. and I don't see how this won't be a certainty, we already get shafted over new digital releases being the same price, and often DEARER than retail box price, the rampant profit whoring isn't going to suddenly stop just because the game is a year or two old, pubs are not going to give GOG a licence to sell games cheaper here than would be available on other distribution methods which WILL mean a closing of the distance between GOG and other distributors that makes GOG stand out.. not a nice direction to be going head first in, and we are, because the 'closer working releationship' required by GOG and the publishers to get this system going IS going to mean that GOG has to become more like them.. it can't be done any other way, the publishers are still going to be in the position of dictating certain terms to GOG.

One thing that IS a certainty however.. and believe me I'm dreading it, the forums are going to devolve in to a nasty bitching mess... just like EVERY OTHER GAMESITE OUTHERE, it's inevitable. With the change in focus of type of games being bought and played you will see an increase of users.. but they will be users with a different priority for their gaming, there will be a drastic upturn in graphics whores, fanboys and in general, ADD asshats that upto now have ignored the site due to the content not being 'bling' enough for them. The site will no longer have the common denominator that draws us together atm... we can all, to a person pretty much, ignore graphical whimsy in favour of a good game, but where else do you see that with all the shallow, shiney, fastfood games that the ridilin poppers play these days.

5. Upto now, GOG have always smelled like sweet, sweet pie to me... however with the advent of this news I'm now getting a whiff of rotten eggs.

6. I honestly hope I'm wrong, but I'm also pretty sure that the terms the pubs will want enforced are not going to be upto the GOG standard so far.

7. As for 'The Witcher 2'.. that BELONGED here because of the relationship between GOG and CDP, I was GLAD to be able to support CDP with the full price of my monies, that was revolutionary, but I don't want to be whored out to other inferior publishers as a source of profit.

8. EDIT.. concerning the multiple platform points...... NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, honestly peeps the logistics of tracking these companys/rights holder would be an unmitigated nightmare and certainly not worth the miniscule profit they'd get back in return.

9. ...And please, a reply about how innacurate I am about this issue, or about how 'YOU' know it can be made all simple and would work is POINTLESS.. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN and any further discussion of this absurdity is just dragging the thread away from any valid points it may be making... so please, no more emulator talk, it's silly.. seriously, it's silly. ANYWAY, if you don't know how to acquire all the emulated software you'll EVER EVER want by now, then you should have your access to the internet taken away from you :P
1. If they hire more staff it shouldn't be a problem. And I believe I read that they are going to hire more people as the site expands it's game listings to newer titles.

2. And what is crap exactly? Some games can be considered stinkers to more people than normal, but some games that you dislike others might like & vice versa. But games aren't shit because you dislike them.

Also it will allow people who didn't buy such titles because they disliked the DRM on those games to be able to buy DRM free copies finally.

3. Are you that cheap that you wouldn't pay 20 dollars or so for a newer game even if it came with no DRM and GOG's plethora of extras? If it's the price that upset you go to steam and buy the games.....but then you have to deal with the client. But that's your choice to make.

And no, I don't think if GOG charges more for newer games that they will suddenly charge more for older games or drop the 6/10 dollar price points. Older games will likely still be around 6-10 bucks(possibly including several games in one pack if the single titles aren't worth 6 or 10 bucks alone), and newer games will possibly be around 15-20. Also GOG determines many things about what it releases, otherwise people wouldn't buy from them so much and trust them. I believe, as such, that they won't let the publishers pull a fast one on us when adding newer titles.

4. Now this HAS to be trolling, as if it isn't I dare to think you are serious in such stereotyping of newer game players. Newsflash: Not all newer game players are ADD riddled fanboys or graphics whores. and all newer games aren't crap.....some of us here even play newer games & are quite intellectual & eloquent when speaking.

As for the forums, well every forum has it's bad apples. Since GOG went out of beta several bad apples have come and gone or become good apples. I don't think that just because GOG offers newer games, though, that the forums will suddenly turn into /b/ on 4chan.

5. Then leave if it's so bad for you here.....nothing is keeping you here. You won't likely be missed....especially with that attitude you seem to have against newer games and those who play them.

6. Again they can't tell GOG what to do with their company. If GOG doesn't want to play ball they don't have to. Simple as that.

7. No one is whoring anyone out to anyone else here. GOG(again) is simply running a business. As such they can do with it as they please, though I believe they will remain true to the customer for many years to come. As for inferior publishers...well again that's your POV not everyone elses. What you don't like someone else might...and GOG wants to sell to them a DRM free gaming experience and there are those who might want to buy it from GOG.

8. Stop being so pessimistic. Gog said themselves it might be a possibility in the future.

9. So you tell people to stop having such ideas because you deem them "silly", and then basically tell them to pirate the games instead. How nice of you.
Posted December 30, 2011
Well, I'm really happy to hear that, even if I only buy old games in GOG.com
I read an article on Destructoid yesterday about digital distribution that I found interesting, they also talk about GOG.com (http://dtoid.it/uU61q1)
I love GOG.com but I also agree on the fact that having the game losely installed on my PC is less attractive that having a client that let you talk with your friends while playing, and a centralization of all the games you bought in one place. Some of you will tell me to get X-Fire or to install all my games in a dedicated folder but that's not the point. I think that GOG.com need a strong community, and not only in the forum, but also in the games. And for those who are completely anti-DRM, a nice compromise would be to let the player choose to install the game only on his PC or/and on a hypotical GOG client.
Well, that's just one of my thoughts !
Have a happy new year from France !
Posted December 30, 2011
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SorenAlexShuya: Well, I'm really happy to hear that, even if I only buy old games in GOG.com
I read an article on Destructoid yesterday about digital distribution that I found interesting, they also talk about GOG.com (http://dtoid.it/uU61q1)
I love GOG.com but I also agree on the fact that having the game losely installed on my PC is less attractive that having a client that let you talk with your friends while playing, and a centralization of all the games you bought in one place. Some of you will tell me to get X-Fire or to install all my games in a dedicated folder but that's not the point. I think that GOG.com need a strong community, and not only in the forum, but also in the games. And for those who are completely anti-DRM, a nice compromise would be to let the player choose to install the game only on his PC or/and on a hypotical GOG client.
Well, that's just one of my thoughts !
Have a happy new year from France !
A GOG client might go against GOG's founding principles if not done right. Also in Steam one can already add games to the client which weren't bought from Steam.
Posted December 30, 2011
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GameRager: A GOG client might go against GOG's founding principles if not done right. Also in Steam one can already add games to the client which weren't bought from Steam.
Maybe it will go against those founding principles but I trust entirely GOG to find the right solution to build a client that let you choose to tie the games to the client or not as I said in my first post. Adding a non Steam game on their client isn't the solution to the community part either.
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Posted December 30, 2011
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GameRager: A GOG client might go against GOG's founding principles if not done right. Also in Steam one can already add games to the client which weren't bought from Steam.
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SorenAlexShuya: Maybe it will against those founding principles but I trust entirely GOG to find the right solution to build a client that let you choose to tie the games to the client or not as I said in my first post. Adding a non Steam game on their client isn't the solution to the community part either.
I get what you're saying but do we really need to be connected to others on the net all day long? I mean sure steam community can be fun but sometimes people just want to game in peace.

Plus we have the forums and PMs to communicate already, and the games shelf ties all our GOGs in one place.

(Almost forgot about GogWiki as well, where users can show off their game shelves and post stuff.)
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Posted December 30, 2011
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GameRager: I get what you're saying but do we really need to be connected to others on the net all day long? I mean sure steam community can be fun but sometimes people just want to game in peace.

Plus we have the forums and PMs to communicate already, and the games shelf ties all our GOGs in one place.

(Almost forgot about GogWiki as well, where users can show off their game shelves and post stuff.)
I get what you're saying too. Steam allows you to appear offline for your friends while you're playing your games, for you to game alone. I'm not a true fan of forums or wikis and I'm not the only one. Having all the related contents in a dedicated client is, in my opinion, the best way to keep a strong community alive. But again, this is just my opinion, and I know that some people don't agree with it and that's why I spoke about a compromize in my first post. If you want to continue to debate over that matter, let's DM!
Posted December 30, 2011
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GameRager: I get what you're saying but do we really need to be connected to others on the net all day long? I mean sure steam community can be fun but sometimes people just want to game in peace.

Plus we have the forums and PMs to communicate already, and the games shelf ties all our GOGs in one place.

(Almost forgot about GogWiki as well, where users can show off their game shelves and post stuff.)
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SorenAlexShuya: I get what you're saying too. Steam allows you to appear offline for your friends while you're playing your games, for you to game alone. I'm not a true fan of forums or wikis and I'm not the only one. Having all the related contents in a dedicated client is, in my opinion, the best way to keep a strong community alive. But again, this is just my opinion, and I know that some people don't agree with it and that's why I spoke about a compromize in my first post. If you want to continue to debate over that matter, let's DM!
Wait lemme get this right here......you say some people want more community and the ability to connect via a client like with Steam but that similar people also don't like forums, which are a great source of community in some cases. Wut?
Posted December 30, 2011
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GameRager: Wait lemme get this right here......you say some people want more community and the ability to connect via a client like with Steam but that similar people also don't like forums, which are a great source of community in some cases. Wut?
Is that so hard to believe ? It's not because you like the community that you like all the possibilities to interact with it. Take this exemple: you have to tell something to a friend and you have multiples ways to do it: sending a message with a computer, a phone, or a letter. The results may be the same, but the ways to do so are completely different according to your preference.
Posted December 30, 2011
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GameRager: Wait lemme get this right here......you say some people want more community and the ability to connect via a client like with Steam but that similar people also don't like forums, which are a great source of community in some cases. Wut?
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SorenAlexShuya: Is that so hard to believe ? It's not because you like the community that you like all the possibilities to interact with it. Take this exemple: you have to tell something to a friend and you have multiples ways to do it: sending a message with a computer, a phone, or a letter. The results may be the same, but the ways to do so are completely different according to your preference.
I get that.......I just can't see why one would want to 'blather' to someone all day long on a client like steam and not want to use a forum's PM features(if it has one) or type out a forum reply.

I mean I guess some may want to choose who they talk to thus wanting to use such clients more to pick and choose who to befriend, but you can do almost the same thing on a forum. You can pick and choose who to talk to via PM or thread replies.
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Posted December 30, 2011
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GameRager: I get that.......I just can't see why one would want to 'blather' to someone all day long on a client like steam and not want to use a forum's PM features(if it has one) or type out a forum reply.

I mean I guess some may want to choose who they talk to thus wanting to use such clients more to pick and choose who to befriend, but you can do almost the same thing on a forum. You can pick and choose who to talk to via PM or thread replies.
As I said, some peoples do not like forums because you can't talk about private things while playing games. PM is a thing but still is attached with the forum and you can't send messages while playing. The Steam's chatbox is a cool thing. When I play a game for exemple, sometimes I like to chat with a friend while doing it.
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GameRager: I get that.......I just can't see why one would want to 'blather' to someone all day long on a client like steam and not want to use a forum's PM features(if it has one) or type out a forum reply.

I mean I guess some may want to choose who they talk to thus wanting to use such clients more to pick and choose who to befriend, but you can do almost the same thing on a forum. You can pick and choose who to talk to via PM or thread replies.
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SorenAlexShuya: As I said, some peoples do not like forums because you can't talk about private things while playing games. PM is a thing but still is attached with the forum and you can't send messages while playing. The Steam's chatbox is a cool thing. When I play a game for exemple, sometimes I like to chat with a friend while doing it.
I get that but most of the games here are old games that couldn't be reworked to include client support for chatting/etc. So it makes no sense for gog to do so. And also many newer games with MP have chat built into them, and if one is playing the SP portion of a game they could use a third party chat client that can run during a game.
Posted December 30, 2011
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GameRager: I get that but most of the games here are old games that couldn't be reworked to include client support for chatting/etc. So it makes no sense for gog to do so. And also many newer games with MP have chat built into them, and if one is playing the SP portion of a game they could use a third party chat client that can run during a game.
Steam have some old games, for exemple the first Fallout and it doesn't have a chat build in the game but added with the Client. You don't have to modify a game in order to add a chatbox. You don't get my point here. I don't want to use multiples programs to chat while playing, having all the games and options included in a client let you chat whenever you want with a single program. It's a simple question of convenience. Last point, having a MP chat build into a game isn't convenient either, using a mic is way better, but that's another question that don't belong here.
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GameRager: I get that but most of the games here are old games that couldn't be reworked to include client support for chatting/etc. So it makes no sense for gog to do so. And also many newer games with MP have chat built into them, and if one is playing the SP portion of a game they could use a third party chat client that can run during a game.
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SorenAlexShuya: Steam have some old games, for exemple the first Fallout and it doesn't have a chat build in the game but added with the Client. You don't have to modify a game in order to add a chatbox. You don't get my point here. I don't want to use multiples programs to chat while playing, having all the games and options included in a client let you chat whenever you want with a single program. It's a simple question of convenience. Last point, having a MP chat build into a game isn't convenient either, using a mic is way better, but that's another question that don't belong here.
Yes but again do you need to chat while playing every game? Maybe a GOG chat client would be nice where we could login and chat via a GOG page......but imo a chat box tied into GOG games wouldn't be very easy to implement or practical.

Also some games don't support the steam overlay(which is what I was getting at) and as such some games on steam don't allow the steam overlay and chat box to display while they're running. And since Gog is mostly older games I don't think they'd support a client/chat overlay during such games, at least not without a lot of time and effort better spent IMO on getting more old games to GOG and getting them working with newer OSs.
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GameRager: ]Yes but again do you need to chat while playing every game?

Also some games don't support the steam overlay(which is what I was getting at) and as such some games on steam don't allow the steam overlay and chat box to display while they're running. And since Gog is mostly older games I don't think they'd support a client/chat overlay during such games, at least not without a lot of time and effort better spent IMO on getting more old games to GOG and getting them working with newer OSs.
No, but if you want to then you don't have to.

What games don't work with the Steam chat box ? I never heard of that. And building and integrating a chat box isn't really so hard. Anyway, I have to go, if you wish to continue this discussion, feel free to send me a PM or continue here, I'll answer later.
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GameRager: ]Yes but again do you need to chat while playing every game?

Also some games don't support the steam overlay(which is what I was getting at) and as such some games on steam don't allow the steam overlay and chat box to display while they're running. And since Gog is mostly older games I don't think they'd support a client/chat overlay during such games, at least not without a lot of time and effort better spent IMO on getting more old games to GOG and getting them working with newer OSs.
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SorenAlexShuya: No, but if you want to then you don't have to.

What games don't work with the Steam chat box ? I never heard of that. And building and integrating a chat box isn't really so hard. Anyway, I have to go, if you wish to continue this discussion, feel free to send me a PM or continue here, I'll answer later.
I've enjoyed our debate so far.....i'll see you later then.

And Geneforge doesn't work with the steam chatbox, for one. You can't have it onscreen during the game.
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