EmuAce: 1. I am a software developer, and as such I have worked with both lawyers and EULAs in the past... :). Although I would not consider these to be great qualifications, it does mean I do know something about what I'm talking about. Including the processes involved in getting an EULA approved and everything.


2. Pray tell, where might this disclaimer have been in any of your previous posts which I quoted...? What, it wasn't? So you were giving bad general advice, based on US case-law...?

3. I.e. a regular full time employee. The pay for which is consistent and not based on the number of jobs you provide. But on a set number of hours a week. There's bound to have been a lawyer within EA with a day or two of time to create an EULA for this specifically. They won't just get someone to randomly copy / pasta a previous EULA without it having been both verified and worked over by a lawyer yet again to make sure it's relevant and doesn't contain anything added by anyone.

4. I've already replied several times regarding the copy / pasta comment. And I still see no reason to change my stance towards this - just repeating that it's copy / pasta does not change the EULA, or what it's asking of you. You have no idea what services these games do and do not use besides the limited amount that have so far been announced. Several might very well include the entire EA online platform for all you know...

And who said EULAs are DRM? Certainly not me - it is most certainly a form of rights management but not a digital one. My problems with the EULA are the rights they want you to sign away, such as your basic copyright regarding the game over to them (i.e. reviews, podcasts, long plays, tutorials, comments) and the actual DRM specific sections of the EULA. I.e. 'you shall not attempt to circumvent the protection' this statement has no place on GoG in the first place.

A. And pray tell, on what information are you basing this - considering that not even all games have been announced yet..? That's a pretty bold statement if you ask me.

B. Unfortunatly, neither reputation nor age impresses me even slightly and I was just nitpicking with the comment as I considered it to be daft. What impresses me are sound and reasonable arguments.So yes, I would :).

EmuAce: Oh come on, as if rep isn't a game-able system? Who was it again that went about down voting nimagraven's replies a few pages back and will no doubt do so for many more people because of a simple disagreement? Reputation is a number very closely related to popularity and spamming on the forums. Neither of which is a good gauge for anything. Other than troll-content :)

nimagraven: I'm not a distrustful person. I'm just wary of taking things at face value as in my experience it has a tendency to bite you on the ass :P.

With all due respect to Bansama and co.. Rep really means jack all to me. Rep can be earned in many ways, including being "knowledgeable" over this particular subject. I mean, hell, I've seen your rep go up and down like a yoyo. Does it matter? Does it make you any less right/wrong? It doesn't in my eyes make anyone more right or more wrong.. EULA's are dodgy to begin with, and so their appearance in some senses mean nothing.. But it's sad that something so sloppy regardless of it's reasonings for being there can actually turn into you effectively agreeing to something that may or may never turn up in the future. You won't get a chance to actually agree to it again if it does turn up though. It's sad to see that sloppyness on GOG. Regardless.

Anyway. I'm out of energy. It's late here and I'm poorly, so all that above may of not made sense. Time for me to do something else and then go to bed. I've said my bit and there's no point going in circles any more :). Life goes on! :D

EmuAce: *snip*

Unfortunatly, neither reputation nor age impresses me even slightly and I was just nitpicking with the comment as I considered it to be daft. What impresses me are sound and reasonable arguments.So yes, I would :).

mystral: How about these two reasonable arguments then?

1. While the EULA stuff doesn't cost EA money, adding DRM to these games (old enough to have had nothing but a CD/floppy check when they were released) would. I doubt they'd see that as a worthwhile investment.

2. Being DRM-free is one of GOG's main mission statements. It's very, very unlikely the CD Projekt people would compromise that for the sake of a single publisher and a few games, even EA.

That being said, let me congratulate GOG on finally getting EA to join in. I'll admit to having serious doubts that it could be done. Good for you.

Good for me too, of course, since many of these games are high on my personal wishlist. :)

GameRager: It is copy-paste, as many others here have stated this in other threads from dealings with the game forums and the developers/etc.

Also parts of an eula that pertain to features not in these games cannot be upheld in these games because THEY AREN'T IN THESE GAMES.....


GameRager: You seem to be a very distrustful person..don't trust EA, don't trust those many here trust...but speculations you have is ok to have. 0.o

I agree with not just basing trust on someone's term at a site/etc but these guys have proven themselves over and over again hence their high reps.....this means they are very trustworthy knowledgeable to a good extent.

goatman455: Well he is right to be skeptical, this is far from a perfect world we live in, people and companies lie and manipulate for their own selfish reasons.

You know what we call trustful people? Naive. That's a shame because everyone really should be open and honest with each other, but that's just not the world we currently live in. I think he has every right to be skeptical of others intentions.

However, GoG is one of the best, most customer focused companies I have ever had the pleasure of being a customer of. They consistently do the right thing and always empathize with their customer. Their pricing is fair, they are DRM free, and they are becoming successful for it.

I would have to say, I think you should speak your mind no matter what, just make sure this isn't the only place you speak your mind, because GoG really does have your best interest at heart here as much as they possibly can.

tacossmellgood: so either 1. you're just lying
2. EA is dicking around with reviving those franchises and there is something preventing their release here (another company has the rights tied up or the timing is bad for promotional reasons)
or
3. EA has an exclusivity agreement with another digital distribution platform for these franchises, at least for a certain period of time.

tacossmellgood: "it doesn't include...System Shock or Syndicate."

i thought this was too good to be true.

"at this time"

so either 1. you're just lying
2. EA is dicking around with reviving those franchises and there is something preventing their release here (another company has the rights tied up or the timing is bad for promotional reasons)
or
3. EA has an exclusivity agreement with another digital distribution platform for these franchises, at least for a certain period of time.

deshadow52: I would like to give my congratulations to GoG and their success of acquiring EA and i think many of us agree that GoG has climbed their biggest hill and any hill after it is going to be puny in comparison.

Now I would like to make a request, I would like the Command and Conquer games added to the catalog whether it's 5.99 or 9.99 I don't really care as long as they appear on here I'm happy. So please consider my request, please :).