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Yes, but a long timer on this forum doesn't mean that they have more world knowledge than anyone else. For all you know, I could be 60 and a well established London barrister :).

Just saying.. Don't judge people by their face value, cover, what you see post count/registered wise. The person behind the monitor is often very different to what you see in the post :).

Oh OK, then just don't buy it. It's your money, after all. I don't mean that in a disparaging way, some people choose to boycott things for their own reasons, which I respect even if I disagree with them, so feel free.

I go along with some here who say that EA have been a bit lazy with the EULA, but I totally understand why. When lawyers get involved, things massively slow down, and so any game would be delayed whilst they release their own form of the EULA.

Oops! Why are we (includes me) talking about this EULA stuff here? This is a celebratory thread!! This is where we enjoy GOG's accomplishment and get excited about the new toys we can play with! There are other threads where the EULA discussion is more ideally suited. Just saying. And yeah, I know I took part ;~p

It is copy-paste, as many others here have stated this in other threads from dealings with the game forums and the developers/etc.

Also parts of an eula that pertain to features not in these games cannot be upheld in these games because THEY AREN'T IN THESE GAMES.....


You seem to be a very distrustful person..don't trust EA, don't trust those many here trust...but speculations you have is ok to have. 0.o

I agree with not just basing trust on someone's term at a site/etc but these guys have proven themselves over and over again hence their high reps.....this means they are very trustworthy knowledgeable to a good extent.

It's not that I don't want to buy it - I want to, but I'm not sure what are the conditions of EULA. I wrote to GOG about that, and I'm waiting for a response.

I am a software developer, and as such I have worked with both lawyers and EULAs in the past... :). Although I would not consider these to be great qualifications, it does mean I do know something about what I'm talking about. Including the processes involved in getting an EULA approved and everything.

In general - err on the side of caution, and do not assume that US law applies everywhere in the world. Read what it actually states, and what you're agreeing to. Before just blindly stating 'this is not applicable to me'. Pray tell, where might this disclaimer have been in any of your previous posts which I quoted...? What, it wasn't? So you were giving bad general advice, based on US case-law...? http://www.thefreedictionary.com/retainer

I.e. a regular full time employee. The pay for which is consistent and not based on the number of jobs you provide. But on a set number of hours a week. There's bound to have been a lawyer within EA with a day or two of time to create an EULA for this specifically. They won't just get someone to randomly copy / pasta a previous EULA without it having been both verified and worked over by a lawyer yet again to make sure it's relevant and doesn't contain anything added by anyone. I've already replied several times regarding the copy / pasta comment. And I still see no reason to change my stance towards this - just repeating that it's copy / pasta does not change the EULA, or what it's asking of you. You have no idea what services these games do and do not use besides the limited amount that have so far been announced. Several might very well include the entire EA online platform for all you know...

And who said EULAs are DRM? Certainly not me - it is most certainly a form of rights management but not a digital one. My problems with the EULA are the rights they want you to sign away, such as your basic copyright regarding the game over to them (i.e. reviews, podcasts, long plays, tutorials, comments) and the actual DRM specific sections of the EULA. I.e. 'you shall not attempt to circumvent the protection' this statement has no place on GoG in the first place. And pray tell, on what information are you basing this - considering that not even all games have been announced yet..? That's a pretty bold statement if you ask me. Unfortunatly, neither reputation nor age impresses me even slightly and I was just nitpicking with the comment as I considered it to be daft. What impresses me are sound and reasonable arguments.So yes, I would :).

Crusader No Remorse? Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy!!!

Agree'd! Thank you so very much GOG! Now, where should I send my bank account info? Or would you prefer to swap the EA catalog for a kidney? One of my liver lobes?

Oh come on, as if rep isn't a game-able system? Who was it again that went about down voting nimagraven's replies a few pages back and will no doubt do so for many more people because of a simple disagreement? Reputation is a number very closely related to popularity and spamming on the forums. Neither of which is a good gauge for anything. Other than troll-content :)

Crusader No Remorse and Crusader No Regret are the two games I most wanted to show up here, and that was even before the awesome RPGs from Interplay showed up. Hopefully the wait for the second won't be to far away.

Thanks for doing all that you do GOG!

In which case, I would be interested to hear what they say. I didn't see anything in the EULA about not copying the games though, only about making it available on networks, so we can make as many copies for ourselves as we like (the GOG EULA prohibits giving copies to other people though).

I agree with WhiteElk - whilst I am still holding out for System Shock II and Thief to come here on GOG (yes I know, I'm a Looking Glass junkie), this is good news and I am celebrating :)

I'm not a distrustful person. I'm just wary of taking things at face value as in my experience it has a tendency to bite you on the ass :P.

With all due respect to Bansama and co.. Rep really means jack all to me. Rep can be earned in many ways, including being "knowledgeable" over this particular subject. I mean, hell, I've seen your rep go up and down like a yoyo. Does it matter? Does it make you any less right/wrong? It doesn't in my eyes make anyone more right or more wrong.. EULA's are dodgy to begin with, and so their appearance in some senses mean nothing.. But it's sad that something so sloppy regardless of it's reasonings for being there can actually turn into you effectively agreeing to something that may or may never turn up in the future. You won't get a chance to actually agree to it again if it does turn up though. It's sad to see that sloppyness on GOG. Regardless.

Anyway. I'm out of energy. It's late here and I'm poorly, so all that above may of not made sense. Time for me to do something else and then go to bed. I've said my bit and there's no point going in circles any more :). Life goes on! :D

Seconded, it's late - I've said what I wanted to say - and I have more constructive usages of my time in the morning :) so bedtime for me.