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Posted June 02, 2011
The biggest announcement in GOG.com's history is a fact! Electronic Arts grants access to its deep back catalogue of classic franchises via yours truly GOG.com!

In a ground-breaking, earthshaking, and jaw-dropping deal we've managed to sign with EA and will be releasing more than 25 legendary classics from the globally renowned publisher. With today’s announcement three widely known and much awaited brands get the revival treatment from GOG.com: Wing Commander: Privateer, Dungeon Keeper and Ultima Underworld 1+2.

We will be adding more than 25 titles from EA over the next few months, so the games will be unveiled gradually, but we can already reveal that the next upcoming titles from this huge deal are: Crusader: No remorse, Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri and Magic Carpet.

While the agreement between Electronic Arts and GOG.com brings back many acclaimed and well known franchises, it doesn’t include the much anticipated System Shock or Syndicate series at this time. After releasing the first six Electronic Arts classics, we will take a break from the concentrated awesome until later in the summer.
Posted June 02, 2011
OMG!!!
you guys are the best thing that happened to PC gaming since Blizzard!
The Witcher 2 is crazy good, GOG.com brings the huge guns after getting the big ones out, this is crazy! I love what you guys do.
Posted June 02, 2011
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SLP2000: Well, as I understand both texts, there's a difference.

Ubisoft - is terminated if user fail to adhere to the terms.

EA - This License is effective until terminated. (there's no reason why). But apart of this, "my rights under this License will terminate immediately and automatically without any notice from EA if you fail to comply with any of the terms and conditions of this License. "

So in case of EA EULA, they can terminate it any time, plus it's terminated without a notice if user fail to comply with any of the terms and conditions.

Am I wrong?
I think you are. There is no mention of "terminating this License whenever we like".

"This License is effective until terminated." - to me, this bit means "You are alive until you die.", not "You are alive until we kill you."

I guess we need a lawyer to be sure.
Posted June 02, 2011
Gentlemen, we have just been given access to games, which, before hand, were extremely difficult to obtain or just a mess to get working. Yes, we might not love or even agree with the fact that the EA EULA is being pushed down our throats, yet apparently it was the only way to get their games here. In the end, it simply comes down to how much you actually wish to play them, that is, buy them and accept the EULA. If the principle is more important that your wish/need for good games, then good for you. Furthermore, I salute all you brave souls.

I on the other hand have been an Origin fan without actually having any of their games to play (except the Dungeon Siege remakes). The fact that Origin (EA) has come to GOG is great and I'm willing to accept the inconvenience of having my hands tied. I've accepted worse in the past (not that I'm proud of it).
Posted June 02, 2011
No System Shock makes me a sad panda :(
Posted June 02, 2011
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SLP2000: Well, as I understand both texts, there's a difference.

Ubisoft - is terminated if user fail to adhere to the terms.

EA - This License is effective until terminated. (there's no reason why). But apart of this, "my rights under this License will terminate immediately and automatically without any notice from EA if you fail to comply with any of the terms and conditions of this License. "

So in case of EA EULA, they can terminate it any time, plus it's terminated without a notice if user fail to comply with any of the terms and conditions.

Am I wrong?
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boskee: I think you are. There is no mention of "terminating this License whenever we like".

"This License is effective until terminated." - to me, this bit means "You are alive until you die.", not "You are alive until we kill you."

I guess we need a lawyer to be sure.
Apparently, our supposed resident expert has already commented on this with it's superior "legal knowledge" :).
Posted June 02, 2011
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EmuAce: Then I would highly suggest reading what was posted - I said that even though only sections might be applicable. The EULA still forces you to accept the entire EULA as is. This also includes the non-applicable portions of the EULA.

If you need a better example of why this is a problem, then use this scenario:

Person A buys dungeon keeper, plays it, enjoys it, etc. For arguments sake Dungeon keeper does not keep track of any personally identifiable information... The EULA however, still provides EA with the right to track said information of person A.

On a side note - wasn't GoG meant to be DRM free? The EULA stinks of quite a lot of restrictions. Even if it might be copy / pasta. Which I doubt for a company the size of EA making many millions of dollars a year, and which no doubt has several lawyers on retainer to go through EULAs and various other legalities...

I mean, look at the actual text...?

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GameRager: 1. Again, it wouldn't matter, as whether you agree to them or not if they're unenofrceable/non applicable they can't prosecute/sue you for breaking them anyways.

2. They don't track any info, that's copy-pasta from games that do...so that example doesn't work here, and I don't see why you think they would just because they left it in a copy-pasted EULA.

3. They're cheap, and others have stated the same as me in toher threads...they just don't want to do it for whatever reason(money/time/etc).

And btw every Gog game is EULA restricted.......read it next time you install any gog game. And again Gog is DRM-free...EULAs aren't DRM.
Re pt. 1: Sorry - but unless you show your law qualifications for the country in which I currently reside this is a moot point. I see you live in the US, this might come as a shock but fortunately not everyone else in the world does. Laws differ, and I highly doubt that you have any legal qualifications, so please do not comment on the legality or enforceability of an EULA without having the required knowledge and abilities to do so.

Re pt. 2: As you seem to have problems grasping the concept of rights and giving away your rights. Let me make this as clear as possible - the EULA should only state the sections relevant to the games in question. Giving rights away, as inapplicable to this game in question they might be, is never a good idea - as they retain those rights until the agreement is cancelled.

Re pt. 3: Cheap? I don't consider signing away rights as being cheap - especially when they're excessive. But I guess morals and values differ quite a bit :). I can get a Dungeon Keeper 2 copy off of ebay pretty cheap, and without being forced into a draconic EULA which seems a lot cheaper to me. By that logic perhaps we should all start buying games from there again?

As for your comment about gog games being EULA restricted - please actually read the comments. You're signing away your rights, and to even make it both EULA and DRM specific, once again as there seems to be an issue grasping this concept.
Your license will terminate immediately if you attempt to circumvent the technical protection measures for the Software.
Technical protection measures... DRM... This EULA clause has no right to exist anywhere on GoG... it is against the very spirit in which GoG was founded...
Posted June 02, 2011
Oh my god GOG, you just made a ton of money!!

Edit: From me.
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Posted June 02, 2011
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nimagraven: *Sigh...*
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GameRager: -1ing your posts, brb.
/golfclap, impressive reasoning skills :) but then again - it was the same behaviour when it came to the stunt GoG pulled a few months ago - so hey. Obvious troll is obvious.
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Posted June 02, 2011
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GameRager: -1ing your posts, brb.
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EmuAce: /golfclap, impressive reasoning skills :) but then again - it was the same behaviour when it came to the stunt GoG pulled - so hey. Obvious troll is obvious...
No, i'd rather consider using the same reply three times to be more trolling than anything you think is trolling from me.
Posted June 02, 2011
Crossing my fingers for System Shock I & II.
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Posted June 02, 2011
Frak yes! That is what I've been hoping for.

...but Privateer, Dungeon Keeper, and Ultima Underworld all on the same day?!? *swoons* Sold! I love you, GoG!
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EmuAce: /golfclap, impressive reasoning skills :) but then again - it was the same behaviour when it came to the stunt GoG pulled - so hey. Obvious troll is obvious...
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GameRager: No, i'd rather consider using the same reply three times to be more trolling than anything you think is trolling from me.
Isn't that kinda what you're doing? As your pro-EULA replies definitely seem quite similar to me and without anything of value being added as the posts progress. So yes, obvious troll is obvious.
Post edited June 02, 2011 by EmuAce
Posted June 02, 2011
Good Lord, Ultima Underworld 1+2, Wing Commander, Dungeon Keeper... and so many more to come!! GOG, you made my day... and likely killed my wallet!!
Posted June 02, 2011
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EmuAce: Re pt. 1: Sorry - but unless you show your law qualifications for the country in which I currently reside this is a moot point. I see you live in the US, this might come as a shock but fortunately not everyone else in the world does. Laws differ, and I highly doubt that you have any legal qualifications, so please do not comment on the legality or enforceability of an EULA without having the required knowledge and abilities to do so.

Re pt. 2: As you seem to have problems grasping the concept of rights and giving away your rights. Let me make this as clear as possible - the EULA should only state the sections relevant to the games in question. Giving rights away, as inapplicable to this game in question they might be, is never a good idea - as they retain those rights until the agreement is cancelled.

Re pt. 3: Cheap? I don't consider signing away rights as being cheap - especially when they're excessive. But I guess morals and values differ quite a bit :). I can get a Dungeon Keeper 2 copy off of ebay pretty cheap, and without being forced into a draconic EULA which seems a lot cheaper to me. By that logic perhaps we should all start buying games from there again?

As for your comment about gog games being EULA restricted - please actually read the comments. You're signing away your rights, and to even make it both EULA and DRM specific, once again as there seems to be an issue grasping this concept.
Your license will terminate immediately if you attempt to circumvent the technical protection measures for the Software.
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EmuAce: Technical protection measures... DRM... This EULA clause has no right to exist anywhere on GoG... it is against the very spirit in which GoG was founded...
1. And you should take the same advice......unless you're a barrister and I don't know it. 0.o

Thing is, this is how the EULA works.....and even the long time members have said the same thing in here and other threads and you disregard it and spread nonsense paranoia about parts of the EULA you agree to somehow being enforceable even though they don't apply.

2. Again, if a part of an EULA is found to be unenforceable for an owned title then it doesn't apply to you and you're not giving anything up in "agreeing" to those parts.

3. I meant that the execs are being cheap and nor getting lawyers to approve and sign a new EULA for just gog released titles. Not you.

4. DRM only counts if it can stop you physically(software/internet activations/etc) from playing or installing the game if you break part of the EULA or do other things that trip the protections schemes.

So no, this isn't DRM.....
Posted June 02, 2011
I hope this means Little Big Adventure. :)
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