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Posted June 02, 2011
The biggest announcement in GOG.com's history is a fact! Electronic Arts grants access to its deep back catalogue of classic franchises via yours truly GOG.com!

In a ground-breaking, earthshaking, and jaw-dropping deal we've managed to sign with EA and will be releasing more than 25 legendary classics from the globally renowned publisher. With today’s announcement three widely known and much awaited brands get the revival treatment from GOG.com: Wing Commander: Privateer, Dungeon Keeper and Ultima Underworld 1+2.

We will be adding more than 25 titles from EA over the next few months, so the games will be unveiled gradually, but we can already reveal that the next upcoming titles from this huge deal are: Crusader: No remorse, Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri and Magic Carpet.

While the agreement between Electronic Arts and GOG.com brings back many acclaimed and well known franchises, it doesn’t include the much anticipated System Shock or Syndicate series at this time. After releasing the first six Electronic Arts classics, we will take a break from the concentrated awesome until later in the summer.
Posted June 02, 2011
HOLY GUACAMOLE!

My dream has come true.
Posted June 02, 2011
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GameRager: The EULA is copy-pasta they use on all their games, and some of it isn't applicable to these games.
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EmuAce: Whether it is copy pasta or not is besides the point - it is still a EULA which is more restrictive than the original EULAs which came with the original games. Meaning I could buy a second hand copy, with more rights than I'd have from a new digital copy on GoG.

Secondly - an EULA does not have to be applicable to a game. I.e. by accepting this EULA, even though a game might not have the EUDM, you are still bound to those sections of the EULA. Which seems very odd to me.
What I meant was what you said...that only certain sections of the EULA are applicable in this case.
Posted June 02, 2011
Excellent news about this, Dungeon Keeper is an instant-buy for me.

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morecowbell24: This should help clear up the System Shock issue

http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/713030/the-lost-history-of-system-shock/
Just to clarify, this explains why there will be no System Shock 3. EA has the rights to publish both System Shock and System Shock II since they've already been developed and LGS gave them publishing rights - those rights still exist even though LGS's rights went to another company. There's no reason why EA can't release both games electronically if they so desire.
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Posted June 02, 2011
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EmuAce: Whether it is copy pasta or not is besides the point - it is still a EULA which is more restrictive than the original EULAs which came with the original games. Meaning I could buy a second hand copy, with more rights than I'd have from a new digital copy on GoG.

Secondly - an EULA does not have to be applicable to a game. I.e. by accepting this EULA, even though a game might not have the EUDM, you are still bound to those sections of the EULA. Which seems very odd to me.
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GameRager: What I meant was what you said...that only certain sections of the EULA are applicable in this case.
You're still accepting the entire EULA as is. Meaning the whole of it is applicable and can be made applicable to you at any point with any game with any update that is brought in the future.

They hashed out a deal with GOG meaning that there was a meeting between both parties. EA know fully well what they wanted to do with their "copy and pasted" EULA and GOG agreed to it.

If parts of it where not applicable to games or won't be applicable to games at any point, then they simply wouldn't be there. The point is you accept it, therefore, it's applicable at any point when you use their services.

The EULA itself as I said doesn't bother me, it's bollocks. The fact that GOG agreed to it is what troubles me more. The EULA that GOG contains itself is more than sufficient, and it's sad that you can get more rights out of buying the box off ebay and then installing it on your machine. It almost goes against the entire point and ethos of GOG IMHO.
Posted June 02, 2011
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GameRager: What I meant was what you said...that only certain sections of the EULA are applicable in this case.
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nimagraven: You're still accepting the entire EULA as is. Meaning the whole of it is applicable and can be made applicable to you at any point with any game with any update that is brought in the future.

They hashed out a deal with GOG meaning that there was a meeting between both parties. EA know fully well what they wanted to do with their "copy and pasted" EULA and GOG agreed to it.

If parts of it where not applicable to games or won't be applicable to games at any point, then they simply wouldn't be there. The point is you accept it, therefore, it's applicable at any point when you use their services.

The EULA itself as I said doesn't bother me, it's bollocks. The fact that GOG agreed to it is what troubles me more. The EULA that GOG contains itself is more than sufficient, and it's sad that you can get more rights out of buying the box off ebay and then installing it on your machine. It almost goes against the entire point and ethos of GOG IMHO.
1. Doesn't matter as parts found to be unenforceable as they either: Don't apply Or: Aren't legally upholdable will not apply to you anyways.

2. EA uses the same EULA on all it's games...it costs them money to make new ones for each game/deal with sellers so they use the same one ad nauseum.

3. Nope.....read 1 & 2 again.

4. All gog games are bound by the developers EULAs, we just don't see them in the installers, but you still have to agree to them to play their games.

Also gog is anti-drm, not anti-eula.
Posted June 02, 2011
I only care about LOTR, C&C and MOH + MOHAA. Bring them on!!!
Posted June 02, 2011
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EmuAce: Whether it is copy pasta or not is besides the point - it is still a EULA which is more restrictive than the original EULAs which came with the original games. Meaning I could buy a second hand copy, with more rights than I'd have from a new digital copy on GoG.

Secondly - an EULA does not have to be applicable to a game. I.e. by accepting this EULA, even though a game might not have the EUDM, you are still bound to those sections of the EULA. Which seems very odd to me.
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GameRager: What I meant was what you said...that only certain sections of the EULA are applicable in this case.
Then I would highly suggest reading what was posted - I said that even though only sections might be applicable. The EULA still forces you to accept the entire EULA as is. This also includes the non-applicable portions of the EULA.

If you need a better example of why this is a problem, then use this scenario:

Person A buys dungeon keeper, plays it, enjoys it, etc. For arguments sake Dungeon keeper does not keep track of any personally identifiable information... The EULA however, still provides EA with the right to track said information of person A.

On a side note - wasn't GoG meant to be DRM free? The EULA stinks of quite a lot of restrictions. Even if it might be copy / pasta. Which I doubt for a company the size of EA making many millions of dollars a year, and which no doubt has several lawyers on retainer to go through EULAs and various other legalities...

I mean, look at the actual text...?
Your license will terminate immediately if you attempt to circumvent the technical
protection measures for the Software.
Further Restrictions. Your right to use the Software is limited to the license grant above, and you may not otherwise copy, display, seek to disable, distribute, perform, publish, modify, create works from, or use the Software or any component of it, except as expressly authorized by EA
Your Contributions. In exchange for use of the Software, and to the extent that your contributions through use of the Software give rise to any copyright interest, you hereby grant EA an exclusive, perpetual, irrevocable, fully transferable and sub-licensable worldwide right and license to use your contributions in any way and for any purpose in connection with the Software and related goods and services including the
rights to reproduce, copy, adapt, modify, perform, display, publish, broadcast, transmit, or otherwise communicate to the public by any means whether now known or unknown and distribute your contributions without any further notice or compensation to you of any kind for the whole duration of protection granted to intellectual property rights by applicable laws and international conventions.
I'm not even going to go into what's wrong with section 7...
Post edited June 02, 2011 by EmuAce
Posted June 02, 2011
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SLP2000: This is not a problem for me, but I'm really not happy with the part about terminating the licence. We were supposed to have our games forever (that's what we've been told until now), even if GOG goes down, and now it seems EA can terminate our licence any time. I really don't know what's with that.

In this case EA won't get for a single penny from me, I won't buy anything that can be taken from me any time.
I am not sure what your problem is. EA can only terminate your license if you break the agreement. Every publisher has a right to do this. Look at the Ubisoft's EULA (taken from HoMM installer):

4- Termination of the Licence

The Licence is effective from the first time the Multimedia Product is used.
It is terminated automatically by Ubisoft without notice if the User fails to adhere to the terms and conditions of the Licence.
How is that different to EA's EULA?

4. Termination. This License is effective until terminated. Your rights under this
License will terminate immediately and automatically without any notice from EA
if you fail to comply with any of the terms and conditions of this License. Promptly
upon termination, you must cease all use of the Software and destroy all copies
of the Software in your possession or control. Termination will not limit any of
EA’s other rights or remedies at law or in equity. Sections 4 - 13 of this License
shall survive termination or expiration of this License for any reason.
Posted June 02, 2011
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nimagraven: You're still accepting the entire EULA as is. Meaning the whole of it is applicable and can be made applicable to you at any point with any game with any update that is brought in the future.

They hashed out a deal with GOG meaning that there was a meeting between both parties. EA know fully well what they wanted to do with their "copy and pasted" EULA and GOG agreed to it.

If parts of it where not applicable to games or won't be applicable to games at any point, then they simply wouldn't be there. The point is you accept it, therefore, it's applicable at any point when you use their services.

The EULA itself as I said doesn't bother me, it's bollocks. The fact that GOG agreed to it is what troubles me more. The EULA that GOG contains itself is more than sufficient, and it's sad that you can get more rights out of buying the box off ebay and then installing it on your machine. It almost goes against the entire point and ethos of GOG IMHO.
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GameRager: 1. Doesn't matter as parts found to be unenforceable as they either: Don't apply Or: Aren't legally upholdable will not apply to you anyways.

2. EA uses the same EULA on all it's games...it costs them money to make new ones for each game/deal with sellers so they use the same one ad nauseum.

3. Nope.....read 1 & 2 again.

4. All gog games are bound by the developers EULAs, we just don't see them in the installers, but you still have to agree to them to play their games.

Also gog is anti-drm, not anti-eula.
*Sigh...*
Posted June 02, 2011
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GameRager: What I meant was what you said...that only certain sections of the EULA are applicable in this case.
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EmuAce: Then I would highly suggest reading what was posted - I said that even though only sections might be applicable. The EULA still forces you to accept the entire EULA as is. This also includes the non-applicable portions of the EULA.

If you need a better example of why this is a problem, then use this scenario:

Person A buys dungeon keeper, plays it, enjoys it, etc. For arguments sake Dungeon keeper does not keep track of any personally identifiable information... The EULA however, still provides EA with the right to track said information of person A.

On a side note - wasn't GoG meant to be DRM free? The EULA stinks of quite a lot of restrictions. Even if it might be copy / pasta. Which I doubt for a company the size of EA making many millions of dollars a year, and which no doubt has several lawyers on retainer to go through EULAs and various other legalities...

I mean, look at the actual text...?

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1. Again, it wouldn't matter, as whether you agree to them or not if they're unenofrceable/non applicable they can't prosecute/sue you for breaking them anyways.

2. They don't track any info, that's copy-pasta from games that do...so that example doesn't work here, and I don't see why you think they would just because they left it in a copy-pasted EULA.

3. They're cheap, and others have stated the same as me in toher threads...they just don't want to do it for whatever reason(money/time/etc).

And btw every Gog game is EULA restricted.......read it next time you install any gog game. And again Gog is DRM-free...EULAs aren't DRM.


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nimagraven: *Sigh...*
Sighing that i'm A: Not as paranoid & overreacting as you? or B: That I have actual legal knowledge beyond armchair stuff and it conflicts with what you believe is the case here with the EA EULA'S?
Post edited June 02, 2011 by GameRager
Posted June 02, 2011
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boskee: snip
Well, as I understand both texts, there's a difference.

Ubisoft - is terminated if user fail to adhere to the terms.

EA - This License is effective until terminated. (there's no reason why). But apart of this, "my rights under this License will terminate immediately and automatically without any notice from EA if you fail to comply with any of the terms and conditions of this License. "

So in case of EA EULA, they can terminate it any time, plus it's terminated without a notice if user fail to comply with any of the terms and conditions.

Am I wrong?
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EmuAce: Then I would highly suggest reading what was posted - I said that even though only sections might be applicable. The EULA still forces you to accept the entire EULA as is. This also includes the non-applicable portions of the EULA.

If you need a better example of why this is a problem, then use this scenario:

Person A buys dungeon keeper, plays it, enjoys it, etc. For arguments sake Dungeon keeper does not keep track of any personally identifiable information... The EULA however, still provides EA with the right to track said information of person A.

On a side note - wasn't GoG meant to be DRM free? The EULA stinks of quite a lot of restrictions. Even if it might be copy / pasta. Which I doubt for a company the size of EA making many millions of dollars a year, and which no doubt has several lawyers on retainer to go through EULAs and various other legalities...

I mean, look at the actual text...?

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GameRager: 1. Again, it wouldn't matter, as whether you agree to them or not if they're unenofrceable/non applicable they can't prosecute/sue you for breaking them anyways.

2. They don't track any info, that's copy-pasta from games that do...so that example doesn't work here, and I don't see why you think they would just because they left it in a copy-pasted EULA.

3. They're cheap, and others have stated the same as me in toher threads...they just don't want to do it for whatever reason(money/time/etc).

And btw every Gog game is EULA restricted.......read it next time you install any gog game. And again Gog is DRM-free...EULAs aren't DRM.


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nimagraven: *Sigh...*
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GameRager: Sighing that i'm A: Not as paranoid & overreacting as you? or B: That I have actual legal knowledge beyond armchair stuff and it conflicts with what you believe is the case here with the EA EULA'S?
*Sigh...*
Posted June 02, 2011
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nimagraven: *Sigh...*
-1ing your posts, brb.
Posted June 02, 2011
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nimagraven: *Sigh...*
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GameRager: -1ing your posts, brb.
*Sigh...*
Posted June 02, 2011
Congrats for grabbing EA gog, huge stuff.

Welcome EA, please behave while you're here ;)
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