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tinyE: If I was as fast as 384 I'd kiss my service provider full on the lips, no shit. XD That would be beyond fast for me.
384 is equivalent to around 25kb/sec. Useless for most of GOG and certainly Steam's stuff.
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jamyskis: It's not how much it transfers in total, but how much it transfers in a short space of time. One person downloading a 30GB film at 5MB/sec on a 50mbit line is more of a direct burden than someone downloading a 60GB film at 1MB/sec on a 1mbit line.
Meaning, ISPs do not have the technology to offer 50mbit lines effectively.

meantime in south korea, they have 1gb/s internet connections and are testing ultra hiper duper hd television.
Post edited April 23, 2013 by keeveek
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BlueMooner: More info please?
We have pretty nasty censorship laws regarding violence and National Socialism in games. They wouldn't be so bad if they weren't so arbitrary, but there's a lot of political motivation behind them.
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tinyE: If I was as fast as 384 I'd kiss my service provider full on the lips, no shit. XD That would be beyond fast for me.
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keeveek: how do you download your games, bro? :D
Book of Unwritten Tales took around 8 hours. It's easy enough. Wait till I get ready for bed, start the downloader, conk out. One of the most overlooked gems of GOG is their reliable pause/resume function. Other sites say they do that but 99% of the time you actually end up resetting the whole damn thing when you resume. Not here and here I am to stay.
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keeveek: how do you download your games, bro? :D
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tinyE: Book of Unwritten Tales took around 8 hours. It's easy enough. Wait till I get ready for bed, start the downloader, conk out. One of the most overlooked gems of GOG is their reliable pause/resume function. Other sites say they do that but 99% of the time you actually end up resetting the whole damn thing when you resume. Not here and here I am to stay.
oh, so you don't know the difference between kb and kB , ok :P
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tinyE: If I was as fast as 384 I'd kiss my service provider full on the lips, no shit. XD That would be beyond fast for me.
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jamyskis: 384 is equivalent to around 25kb/sec. Useless for most of GOG and certainly Steam's stuff.
Your numbers confuse me. 384kbps is close to 45kByte after packet overhead. And that's six times as fast as my connection right now, on which I downloaded NWN2 just fine.

I mean, it took two weeks. But it all got here just fine. Eventually.
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keeveek: Meaning, ISPs do not have the technology to offer 50mbit lines effectively.
Indeed, hence my point about market pressure. The infrastructure as it stands is not sufficient to provide everyone with a 24/7 broadband line that is suitable for HD content and triple-A games. The amount of competition on the German market has driven down prices massively, which has stunted investment.

Mind you, the situation was a lot worse when Telekom had no competition at all.
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DProject: First the ridiculous censorship and banned video games, then this?
I feel sorry for you guys.
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BlueMooner: More info please?
You mean about the censorship/banned video games?

Well, try searching for games like Manhunt, Sniper Elite: NZA and Dead Island in Germany; won't find them. I also understand content is especially cut/altered for German audiences, although this is coming from memory. I also think I heard you need to be of older age to play certain games, than you would need to be in other countries. But anyway, the last two I'm not 100% sure. But I'm sure there are more banned games there than there are in the rest of Europe.
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tinyE: Book of Unwritten Tales took around 8 hours. It's easy enough. Wait till I get ready for bed, start the downloader, conk out. One of the most overlooked gems of GOG is their reliable pause/resume function. Other sites say they do that but 99% of the time you actually end up resetting the whole damn thing when you resume. Not here and here I am to stay.
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keeveek: oh, so you don't know the difference between kb and kB , ok :P
Am I being a total fucking idiot again!? Damnit I knew this would happen. Well, back in the box I go. If you need me I'll be over here trying to count to three. :D
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OneFiercePuppy: Your numbers confuse me. 384kbps is close to 45kByte after packet overhead. And that's six times as fast as my connection right now, on which I downloaded NWN2 just fine.

I mean, it took two weeks. But it all got here just fine. Eventually.
Mathematically, yes, but show me a line that actually supplies the promised downstream speed.

I have a 50 mbit line, but I 'only' get just under 5MB a second, when I should mathematically be getting in excess of 6MB.

You always have to account for packet loss and subscriber load.
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keeveek: Meaning, ISPs do not have the technology to offer 50mbit lines effectively.
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jamyskis: Indeed, hence my point about market pressure. The infrastructure as it stands is not sufficient to provide everyone with a 24/7 broadband line that is suitable for HD content and triple-A games. The amount of competition on the German market has driven down prices massively, which has stunted investment.

Mind you, the situation was a lot worse when Telekom had no competition at all.
Yes, the Telekom never invested much into the infrastucture. Most of that was financed with public money.
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jamyskis: Mathematically, yes, but show me a line that actually supplies the promised downstream speed.
Anything with a CIR? ^_^

Thank you, I'll be here all night. Tip your waitresses, folks.
Sounds to me like you're ready for always online consoles :p
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jamyskis: Mathematically, yes, but show me a line that actually supplies the promised downstream speed.
Which is one of my other concerns - lying to the customers.

ISPs ,even here, often and more often lie about the internet capacity. They sell some poor guy 50mbit internet for big bucks knowing his line will only provide 30mbits, because they said in the contract up to 50mbit

This should be treated as criminal fraud in my opinion.

I mean in obvious cases, not when the actual speed is 5% slower than promised.
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DProject: But I'm sure there are more banned games there than there are in the rest of Europe.
Wow, I didn't know. I thought that Europe was much more egalitarian and liberal regarding media and arts than here in the US. I've seen several games over the years that had a full release in Europe but a censored release here.

Including Gothic.