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F1ach: The last book really pissed me off when I saw what happened to Jon, after investing 5 books of rooting for him, and his character, I felt really gypped. I cant be bothered with the series(books or TV) after that and huskys as dire wolves is just a lol.
EDIT: Spoilers, sorry:P
Post edited June 11, 2012 by Licurg
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F1ach: The last book really pissed me off (spoilers) ... I felt really gypped. I cant be bothered with the series(books or TV) after that and huskys as dire wolves is just a lol.
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Licurg: It didn't say that (spoliers)
guys -- spoilers (it's okay for me since I've read the books, but the OP specifically asked no book spoilers)

and the wolves in season 2 are good
Post edited June 11, 2012 by crazy_dave
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F1ach: The last book really pissed me off when I saw what happened to Jon, after investing 5 books of rooting for him, and his character, I felt really gypped. I cant be bothered with the series(books or TV) after that and huskys as dire wolves is just a lol.
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Licurg: It didn't say that he died.... And yeah, the wolves in the show suck:P
But we still have to wait quite some time to find out. I also wouldn't put it past him, even if I doubt it is what will happen.
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Azarr: But we still have to wait quite some time to find out. I also wouldn't put it past him, even if I doubt it is what will happen.
try not to quote Licurg and F1ach, OP specifically asked only show spoilers, no book spoilers
Post edited June 11, 2012 by crazy_dave
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Azarr: But we still have to wait quite some time to find out. I also wouldn't put it past him, even if I doubt it is what will happen.
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crazy_dave: try not to quote Licurg and F1ach, OP specifically asked only show spoilers, no book spoilers
Thank you, mister moderator. I saw. I don't care.
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F1ach: *spoiler*
Oh, I still get mad every time I remember that ending -.-
Post edited June 11, 2012 by Aningan
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crazy_dave: try not to quote Licurg and F1ach, OP specifically asked only show spoilers, no book spoilers
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Azarr: Thank you, mister moderator. I saw. I don't care.
well that's not very nice but w/e
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crazy_dave: try not to quote Licurg and F1ach, OP specifically asked only show spoilers, no book spoilers
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Azarr: Thank you, mister moderator. I saw. I don't care.
Made a thread specifically about the books.
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Azarr: But we still have to wait quite some time to find out. I also wouldn't put it past him, even if I doubt it is what will happen.
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crazy_dave: try not to quote Licurg and F1ach, OP specifically asked only show spoilers, no book spoilers
I didnt post a spoiler I didnt say what happened to him, stuff happens to everybody in books.
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crazy_dave: try not to quote Licurg and F1ach, OP specifically asked only show spoilers, no book spoilers
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F1ach: I didnt post a spoiler I didnt say what happened to him, stuff happens to everybody in books.
eh ... okay - too much for my blood, but everyone's mileage varies with those kinds of implicative posts - but the dude after you totally did :)
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F1ach: I didnt post a spoiler I didnt say what happened to him, stuff happens to everybody in books.
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crazy_dave: eh ... okay - too much for my blood, but everyone's mileage varies with those kinds of implicative posts - but the dude after you totally did :)
Ah, kk, i didnt see it.
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Licurg: Would you like me to tell you what happens in the books with all those things you just mentioned?:P
How closely does the book and the show follow each other so far?

Guess I could wiki it if curiosity became too much, but I should probably just read the books then.

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AndyBuzz: You will get disappointed with the books as well. The 3rd is absolutely great (they going to base 3rd and 4th season off that book) but 4th book gets a bit rambly and the plot doesn't move forward as it should. I've heard that the 5th (Dance of Dragons) gets even more so, which is pity.
My guess is that GRR Martin tries to extent it on purpose to cash in more. I don't blame him for that, but it hurts the quality of the book. Otherwise I would be happy as well to have this great huge story, with great writing and characters that you feel like they are real people that you can like, love or loath.

The TV series is my absolute favorite show and it manages to hold to a high standard mostly because follows the books closely. Whenever the writers decided to improvise and add new scenes almost always they are weaker than the rest of the story.
Authors tend to run out of steam by the 4th or 5fth book.

It's not necessarily that the material gets worse per say (well ok, maybe it does when they start pulling half-baked ideas out of their sleeve), they just run out of ideas.

I think it's better if they keep short and sweet (a triology at most) or at least take at least 5-6 years between books, but I'm not sure if he can afford it.

He's already 66 (ok, 63 actually), looks very round (coronaries and a host of other possibilities there) and he has what? 3-4 books left to write?

Hate to be a bummer, but odds are not negligible that he might pull a Jordan on us (not that I care in the case of Jordan, I lost interest after the 5th book).

Hope he has a manuscript somewhere outlining where he wants the storyline to go.

Got to give props to Stephen King there... he made sure that he wrapped up his Magnum Opus before he was too old.

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AndyBuzz: About 2) lots of people support this theory. I usually don't try to guess where the writer is heading with plot twists and knowing Martin I would expect something more unexpected. Few writers manage to pull so dramatic and unforeseen twists as him.
Can't help myself. I have an overactive imagination and I don't have an off switch :P.
Post edited June 12, 2012 by Magnitus
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Licurg: Would you like me to tell you what happens in the books with all those things you just mentioned?:P
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Magnitus: How closely does the book and the show follow each other so far?
Not a lot unfortunately. It was closer in the first season, but in the second one...
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Licurg: You will get disappointed quick, as the books are much better than the show.
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Magnitus: 5) I'd wager that Sansa offs Geofrey at some point. I would if I was her. Poison is a woman's weapon they say. 20+ years of marriage to this psycho? Who could manage it really? That's what temporary insanity pleas are for :P.
Personally would much rather Arya to slash him slowly like the little shit did to that boy
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Magnitus: Can't help myself. I have an overactive imagination and I don't have an off switch :P.
You know, sometimes I wonder if there's something wrong with me, since I didn't even challenge in my mind the story as presented.
It seemed to make sense to me that the normally righteous Ned Stark was affected by the war and constant killing and gave in to his feelings, not knowing if he would make it back and all. Didn't even occur to me to start looking for another explanation.