Vitek: I'll try to reread today or tomorrow. At least you now know we had had no sinsiter plan together with Zchinque. :-) It looks like someone was afraid of him.

JoeSapphire: You?

Red_Baron: Because you should really fear a player of his caliber... /snip

itai.sharim: Anyhow, back to the game. The case about Orryrro was that although he was posting, he did not post anything relevant to the game. This idea is presented by the now deceased Zchinque at post #360.

JoeSapphire: nah it's not really anything. Just thought it was a bit strange to start trying to make yourself look less scumful from the murder,
but I suppose all you said was that you two weren't in corroboration in the game which is pretty certain. I guess.
So why did you vote for NMillar when Zchinque did and vote for whoever it was that other time? Tell us again?

Red_Baron: I gotta say that with Crazybear being so absent, I think that we got lucky with him only being vanilla. If a town is lynched for lurking, I prefer that one. But then we lost doc as well, hmm I don't really see how they could point him out.. so as Vitek said, maybe someone just feared him? Or was its his manner of playstyle that made him a good target. Going to re-read what he wrote to see if I'll see something else - as my focus in many of his posts has been on the advice/recommendations, instead of what he wrote in regards of his suspects and targets. Actually I only recall him pointing at nmillar and stuart, correct me if I am wrong?

Vitek: As I said I voted nmillar together with Zchinque because I wanted to see what he is trying to do and nmillar never aknowledges one vote.

nmillar: This has been mentioned a few times now. The reason I didn't acknowledge either vote was because I assumed it was a ploy to draw mafia on to a quick lynch. If it had been successful, then mafia members would have been easily identifiable if I had been lynched - i.e. three of the six following Zchinque on the bandwagon.

muttly13: So no one sees the Z kill as simply a mafia way to get Stuart lynched easily on D2? Mafia watches as we lynch a town lurker, then decides to kill the man who started the train on Stuart to make it seem he was taking his "revenge".

Think about how Stuart has played. He came right out of the gate talking. How many new players given a mafia role would do that? Any? Then when the wagon has formed he simply checks out, barley defending himself. How is that a scum tell? If anything it should read as a new townie getting frustrated at the seeming injustice of it. Too me he has played about as town as you can in this game without realizing it.

Could it be some master plan to read out as town? I guess, but thats some plan and since Crazy flipped town he had a pretty risky way of getting things started if CrazyBear turned out to not be a hothead.

So I ask you to consider that this is at least a possibility. And if you can make that step, who then comes right back and votes Stuart after it was pretty much universally agreed that the contradiction evidence against him was weak and he was only "our best bet for day 1 and a deadline?" And who revoted him within HOURS of hammering a confirmed townie and D2s start after stating, and I quote,

"So even though is a terribly flimsy choice, I blame the holidays due to lack of time for discussions and evidence gathering. Lets hope this lynch and night brings new info of interest. "

How does voting hours after the NK for the easiest train out there without adding an iota of new thought to the case count as "hoping for new info"? One would have assumed you would use new info for new thoughts, or at least allowed new info to present itself.

I believe the mafia made a major misstep in trying to push Stuart back so rapidly. If nothing else, Stuart can even be used as a backup lynch since there is clearly so much support aligned against him. What is the point of piling on him again so quickly?

I would love to hear explanation for any of this Red_Baron...

itai.sharim: Another thing I find interesting is Zchinque not protecting himself. I find it hard to believe a doctor would protect someone else instead of protecting a confirmed power role.

Vitek: You almost never acknowledge vote. ;-)

Vitek: Wow, this seems like biiig overreaction. I agree the votes started piling unecessary quickly but you defend stuart a bit too much.

Red_Baron: And yes Zchinque, I know that your back to your old scheme of telling how to play instead of playing - like it as way to post without actually saying anything. But heck I don't really care, since I disagree. It does give us info, it tells us about one player. If by some stroke of luck he is scum, then we got lucky. If he is town, then we have a higher chance of hitting the right target next time. And we avoid a no lynch, although the night-kill might kill one of us as well. Thats the chance one takes in a mafia game.