Its been a while since we heard anything from the Baron. Be interested to see where he falls on all this.
Well, he basically fell with the steam gift pile thing - But yea, its all over now and should help be get back to speed.. Just spend a good deal of time re-reading and catching up with the rapidly escalating game, which is nice to see. And I am feeling fairly scattered in my line of thoughts, since just when I begin to picture one as a scum I see others who fall into the same category. And the whole Zchinque discussion is also a major hassle, since I like what he is trying to archive, but I truly dislike that he is putting himself up to be a sub mod or similar, giving direct commands or strict guidelines. Of course this can also be seen as an attempt to help, but if he does manage to achieve the situation where he is considered a guide, that will be very bad for the game. This situation might be a complete wrong read of the situation, but he has clearly showed himself to be more than just a participant, giving active advice / close to orders to the mod. Now thats something he should do by pm and keep out of the thread. Its not related to the game, it doesn't help us catch scum and it puts a lot of irrelevant post into the game. Which by the way is one of the things he makes a point of saying is bad play. Now why the heck is he doing it himself? My assumption would be that its due to the mafia games being kinda his child here on GOG, but it should not be a part of this thread. Orders to prod players and how the mod should act - do it by PM. Same goes for other comments about bastard mod with deadline and similar, we claimed ourself that we was going to be active doing the holiday, did we keep it.. no. So its fair and square that he did what he did, and when time came to exchange a player he also did indeed extend the deadline. No more about that subject - Just a note: I am basing absolutely no town/not town judgment on those parts of Zchinque's post, as in my opinion they have no say in the matter. (A side note: It appears to have been toned down a good deal in his latest posts, of which I am grateful).
Now on with the game:
With 2 votes, you're not really under any pressure at the moment, so why rise to Crazybear's baiting?
Well, I been searching the thread several times now and I am sure I saw a post where stuart asked something in regards of me (a recent post), but I can't seem to find it.. So most likely I have mixed it together with the above quote and it never existed. However both what nmillar have stated and that post I have in the back of my head, is reasons as to why my vote is staying on Stuart. I do find it suspect the way he keeps going on about those who vote for him, while at the same time talking about how others can be of note as suspects.
In regards of Vitek's read, well I am not lurking anymore, though I wouldn't say I was completely of grid either, but I am also wondering what it could be in meta that gave Vitek a clue, but heck I can't really judge anything about his alignment from it either. And thats another reason as to why my vote stays. The last several post after Christmas has been very hard to judge, at least thats how I feel it. With comments and discussions about Zchinque, how he could fit together with vitek, how he could not, how others could be targeted or not targeted by him, it seems like a rather large cluster mess. And that brings me back to 9, where rodzaju was lynched for making a mess of the posts, of course due to other reasons - but I feel a similar situation here, however this time the mess is not due to strange claims, but instead due to involvement in the mod and too many attempts at controlling playstyles/however to say it. And yea, the easy way here would be to lynch Zchinque, but that is also a wrong action, as I can't justify to lynch someone who I so far have a read on as one genuinely trying to help and even more I can't lynch him for something that should be part of judgment. I find muttly13 scummy, but for some reason I find him scummy no matter where I see a post of his, even if its not a mafia game, dunno why though. But it does put him somewhat closer on my list of suspects.
nmillar had a period where he wasn't himself, but since he appears to be returning to normal I am guessing it was also due to the steam similar as I. While saying this, is it now I should point out that Zchinque whom stated that meta shouldn't be used as judgment, did the very same thing in regards of nmillar if memory serves me right? Just as I did? Well no matter, one can't avoid considering meta when playing with the same persons.
JoeSapphire..I have some kind of idea that his play so far shows some learning in progress, but what he is learning as, I have not yet made up my mind about.
PenutBrittle is also somewhat high on my suspect list, mainly due to the short posts stating nothing new.
itai.sharim: Called me out for a read/comment, similar as muttly, Not sure what to make of his, though I have a theory that he is trying to appear innocent by asking others out and show an appearance of inquiry (if that makes any sense). But its only a wild goose of an idea at the moment, with nothing really to support it, so I am ignoring it for now.
Nothing on pazzer, as he has just made a replacement, and can't judge the posts together.
Did I miss any?
Oh wait, Oorry - honestly I don't know.. currently I can only recall that single posts of his where he votes for Zchinque - so yea no read so far quite clearly..
Final note: This post became much longer than intended and ended up in a completely different direction than I initial thought it would, so if I repeat myself, or I sometimes jump a track of thought, then that might very well be the reason. And as always, hope that I managed to speak my mind gently.. as no offense was and is intended.