Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just got what you meant like 5 minutes ago. Thanks for spelling it out, though. My bad.

while indeed funny (we'll be able to look it up post game in their night chat) I don't think this is how it went.
How are they in less deep shit with adalia going for the conversion and failing? he does have support of idk he said around 6 people with his theories and lynching him for being scummy didn't work yesterday why would it now? (his assumed thought not mine. I think he should have been lynched yesterday and I hope he will today) whereas hunter was rather lurky and had way less support to choose targets to lynch and in the same vein you and others are going after leonard (for what being not as scummy as others? lurky?) the lynch of hunter could have easily happened.
so no. still not buying that in the case of adalia + hunter being a team, adalia would risk going for the conversion.

So why Trent and not Flub? And if trent flips town then it's Flub tomorrow? And then lemme think we're on D4 then you go looking for the scum doing the conversion? When they used up their conversion shots? When they likely control the vote? (which they might by then, unless we start lynching scum (preferebly Original Scum) now...)
Not a townie play, I'd say but I get it if you are scum...

Ah, so now you believe trent was actually scum yesterday? Really?
Or are you talking about Flub? (why vote trent then?) What in his play yesterday made you think he was scum then?
the working/begging to be lynched? the asking adalia to have a baby with him when he tried hard to get flubs lynched? What gave his scum play away?

Not sure I follow, elaborate?


Well, if he was town Yesterday, he may have been converted over Night.



Heh.

Having said that, and generally speaking, it actually depends on more factors than just the amount of experience/number of games played. A good example is Dessimu, who rolled scum in his very first game, and proved a natural; he's a better scum player than a town one, imo. He's got very few games under his belt, but he'd not be expendable to me were I scum and he my scum-buddy in this game on the mere basis of him having played less games than me.



In spite the reassuring preface, you saying you want to lynch scum, even if it's an honest statement, doesn't necessarily make you town.



[emphasis added]

Could you elaborate?


If I'm reading this correctly, is there anything in the setup/rules that prevents Hunter65536 from using his conversion AND getting NK-ed?

And does OG stand for Original Goon?


So it's you that deprived me from a full recovery, and not only got me sick all over again, but even worse than a couple of weeks ago!

Jokes aside, I feel for you, I woke up sick, again, this morning, and it seems to be getting worse. I should probably stay away from the game thread, as, from cross-reading it so far, some things make me groan and some others chuckle, and neither is helping with the nasty cough I have.

This I have to agree with. It makes no sense to me that flub with his play was scum and let's face it, we know trent was Town at least Yesterday. One of them getting converted overnight - sure, but being an OG? I don't think so.

Adalia (I think, can't go back to search for it now) was saying that trent might be acting differently to push away a potential conversion attempt. My point was that, if he has to be pushing something away it has to be the lynch first and only then worry about the conversion. Acting as he might have been converted by team A to scare off team B might work out conversion-wise but when it comes to lynch it's a whole lot worse of a strategy.

I don't think there is. That's a scenario I didn't consider.

OG stands for Original Gangster (I think it was coined by Ice-T back in day, pretty sure he had an album of the same name), seemed like an appropriate abbreviation.

I was steady as a rock 24 hours ago, not sure where that came from. I low-key blame wife and son, though. I'm sure we'll be up and kicking in no time. Get well soon!

Well. So much for open setup. :P

Wow, there's quite a statement.

And saying/implying something here is helpful, how? If mchack is scum as you are so intent on, then he would obviously be fishing for as much as possible before he gets lynched. As it is, I'm quite certain you are not a mason, so I guess it doesn't really matter.

Ooh, ya got me there.

PB&J

I think it might be better to bring down the 3 team scum rather than eliminate one team. With both teams alive, it's more likely for them to step on each others toes and kill/be killed by each other.

Ah, I get you now. Possibly they even make up 2/3 of said 3-man cyborg team.

LOOSEN UP!
Ok, completely off topic. Am I the only one who never quite got this part of the movie? What exactly where the Gold 5 or Red 5's (luke) wingmen supposed to do. And why didn't anyone fly in behind them as backup or something?

It's, unfortunately, very bad timing.


Not a huge fan, not going to join in.

lol, this is ironic after writing the above. Anyway I think it's interesting to note that Hunter had only one vote last day, RVS from Bookwyrm, only other player with that low a record is dedoporno. Close seconds being yourself and me.

Mkay.

Take it easy you guys, hope you start feeling better soon.



Man, this is a real mess. We really shouldn't have no-lynched yesterday, it really puts us behind the 8-ball.
Unvote: Sage
Vote: mchack
This should have happened day 1, we need to see your flip to help unravel this game.

Well thanks to nobody for the bump.
Unvote: Sage
Vote: mchack

Interesting.

Oh I fully expected that, I just am a little surprised not just to see mchack on the list, but for you to place a vote on him with little or no provocation.

So it looks like we do have one more vote for mchack then yesterday. Anyone up for a lynch?

That wasn't quite my point (although I'll admit I did express similar things). My point was that anyone who openly claimed vanilla was then a prime target for conversion. trent claiming too made things both better and worse, it complicated the choice for scum but it also means we have two players we can't really trust and can't really afford to lynch.
So yes, I still believe we should have lynched flub when I first suggested it.

Either of us flipping town would reflect badly on the other, but wouldn't guarantee that the other is scum.
But flipping scum in this game doesn't tell you an awful lot. Scum can still genuinely scum hunt because there are two teams, they can suggest pro town things to get 'town points'. Just because Hunter flipped scum doesn't mean that you aren't because he voted you.

To suggest that everyone who happened to agree with the idea of someone else who flipped scum is tainted by association is ridiculous.

You don't understand why trentonlf would vote for Bookwyrn627? (understanding =/= agreement)

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Unofficial Vote Count

flubbucket - 1 Votes (ZFR 787; Krypsyn 739)

Bookwyrm627 - 3 Votes (trentonlf 776; flubbucket 777; mchack 782)

trentonlf - 1 Votes (Bookwyrm627 708; adaliabooks 717/723)

dedoporno - 0 Votes

adaliabooks - 0 Votes (flubbucket 712/777; mchack 714/782)

Krypsyn - 0 Votes

ZFR - 0 Votes

Leonard03 - 1 Votes (adaliabooks 723/748; ZFR 787)

mchack - 2 Votes (Bookwyrm627 696/708; mchack 748; Leonard03 803)

Sage103082 - 0 Votes (Leonard03 781/803)

HypersomniacLive - 0 Votes (trentonlf 702/776)

Not Voting - 3 abstentions (dedoporno; Sage103082; HypersomniacLive)

I still think going for Hunter's partner (assuming he was mafia originally and not a townie) is the "easiest" option, since that's where we have most information. I've written why I think you're the most likely, but I'm honestly open to suggestions. I'm thinking H's partner won't be adalia (he'd have gone for the conversion instead of Hunter), mchack (ditto), Bookwyrm (Hunter wouldn't have voted same as Bookwyrm in the dying moments of D1, preferring to distance himself from him). Other than you, the second most likely would be... Kryspyn (I can see Hunter being the one sent in a Kryspyn-Hunter team).

Or we could go for the convertee, flub and trent being the obvious 2 choices. Of the two, I'd rather go with flub because (a) there is a tiny chance he was an original scum; he would have been able to pull off this bluff apparently and (b) there is a small chance trent was hacker.
But I think going for the convertee is mcuh less rewarding; I'd go there only if the alternative is a no-lynch.

Now regarding the mchack/adalia situation, there I'm... completely lost. I'll be honest I'm not sure who is who there.

But

I'm sorry but I can't shake off a mental image whenever I see those two go at each other. Looking at mchack I keep seeing a Resistance game with a newbie, who is part Resistance, and is very vocal in trying to convice the others so, but the more he talks, the more he digs himself into a whole, and the more he accuses everyone else of being a spy, which only worsens his situation. Adalia on the other hand is the extreme opposite. Cool, composed; when I voted for him the very first time on D1 he was "good job; you're doing very well." And I've mentioned this before; here I get a mental image of a spy saying this to a newbie.

I don't know if I could draw paralells between Resistance and mafia here, but that's just what I get subconsciously. What I really wish for is to have someone who is more experienced, and played with those two before, help me analyse their behaviour.

But yeah, if all else fails I'm happy to go either mchack or adalia if it helps us get more information on what's going on here.

Now that's a good question. There are certain possibilities I can see trentonlf voting for Bookwyrm, but I'm not sure how likely they are.

Btw, mchack is not voting for himself.

Yep, should have been adaliabooks. I can't tell you how many times I have made that mistake (typing the voted instead of the voting), bit caught it before/while posting. About time I missed one (I bet it was screwed up in the underlined mess yesterday too).