Sorry, the new Vote tally is taking some getting used to for me. Reading through the bottom of my whiskey tumbler makes things murky.


Nah....we both know who that is. XD


Daddy breast fed me too long.

I prefer to watch

"I'm not your friend. Don't fall asleep" at the end of the first video
and "I like to watch" the second.
sounds like suicidal scum to me.

None, no role would want to be lynched day 1. It's not helpful for anyone. That's why I took it as a joke.

I honestly don't have a lot of time kicking around to do so unfortunately.

You got me there, I guess if he wants to die he wont.

Well then.

re-reading so picking up from earlier today

now that wasn't so hard... :)
oh wait

*sigh* you could have just said:
"I wouldn't because town PR generally don't self preserve as hard as scum in my mafia experience (though it'd depend on the persons meta of course, and specific circumstances etc)" or
"I would because PRs tend to fight lynching just as hard as scum in my experience (though it'd depend on the persons meta etc yada yada"
See how I answered the questions without talking specific PR tactics or claiming or anything? don't really get what's your problem there but I'll leave it at that.

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from what I remember from sign up there likely wasn't any time for that between sending pms and starting the game.

I tend to,but you're listening, aren't you?

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this actually a pretty good thought. But it comes with a hefty price tag for scum.

are we? last game it was mostly due to a investigator hitting the convert and him even flipping as convert not recruiter. Haven't read the cult game before that, so I don't know how town fared with converts back then. But maybe to make finding converts as easy as possible, we should all try and be as outspoken and open as we feel is possible without helping scum, (of course without outing masons!), so that a change in stance (and win condition) and who we suspect etc, is more likely to be recognized and called out on.

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I don't disregard that. I just say town killing off town is helping scum. the end.
Them having a harder time which other player to choose from is pretty much "complaining about first world problems" (didn't find a better translation for the idiom in german "whining on a high level") town numbers can decrease rapidly in this game. up to three dead town per day/night cicle (some converted), with this rate we wouldn't even see a day 4. So no I don't think we should decrease our own numbers to make it harder for scum on whom to choose.

now that's the problem isn't it. We can't know his alignment without killing him. (unless you are adalia, who claims to be sure)
So it's down to lynching who we think is the scummiest, which I'm all for. if that happens to be flub, fine by me. As long as we're not going around saying. oh look at him he sure is town vanilla, let's kill him.

Do we? Each player has to make his own decision on that but I think it helps to put all stances down (to help catch converts later on) and then we'll see if we can agree on the scummiest player, if not enough by itself, I'm sure the deadline coupled with noone wanting nolynch will help us agree. So what's your "suitable candidate" (ie scummiest player)?
I think I've made mine clear (spoiler: right now it's #1 adalia #2 flub, #3 dedo) but I'll make a separate post outlining my stance on who I think might be scum later on.

are you pulling my leg? of course I know it's another setup now. But why would flub choose to act similarly when it was losing him the game just a few weeks ago? Fun? or scum trying something that makes him town in the eyes of some, and still let him survive day 1 last game maybe even longer who know what'd happened without the cop. He also knows there's no pesky investigators this game.

are you scum giving up? then just claim
are you town giving up? claim scum
are you town having some weird tactic where you think you really have to die? please explain or claim scum if you don't want to talk and just be lynched
are you scum having some weird tactic where you think you really have to die? lolwut? do explain for the fun of it before we lynch you.

Do you actually somehow not want to be lynched? you have a lot of explaining to do! oh boy.

Random thought: Maybe if I wonder out loud about something then no one will suspect me or that something.

/raised my eyebrow big time.

To me this seems like wagon jumping just to get a lynch. Not town in my book.

So basically he confuses enough to make you question his reasons and you choose to ignore it for another day and thats a good thing? He could be doing it for shits and giggles. Whatever it is, is not helpful and you seem to be easy to over look it and just brush it off as maybe he has a reason for it. I might guess the reason is to win. Isnt that why we are all playing. His play to me is very neutral and who ever has the vote is good enough to throw his vote on. How is that town?! Or helping town?

Damnit Krypsen. Being all logical in this game. With 2 teams of scum thats 4 players that dont care one bit who gets lynched as long as its not them or 1 other person they know. So that is a strong push that can come from easy voting.

Yes and its also one less town to help win.


@Flub - are you doing this for the greater good or are you doing this to try to partner up people and see how easy one votes after another?

1. The idea that it benefits town to lynch a town player simply because they might be vanilla is preposterous, especially with the excuse that it lessens scums pool of who they can recruit. What else does it do? It increases scums chance of hitting a PR with the NK. And why would they even attempt to recruit on Day 1 after they have already gotten a town player lynched, better to decrease the number of players in the field instead and maybe recruit N2 to try and gain a bigger advantage and that's depending on how Day 2 goes. .

2. @flub If you are truly vanilla town I find your play this game to be a less than stellar town play, even if you are doing to make sure we don't lynch a Mason by mistake Day 1. You should have let the day progress and given an opportunity for us to try and find scum and really put pressure on them N1. And this proclamation from you that anyone who doesn't want you lynched is scum is complete BS. I wholeheartedly believe you are Town Vanilla, I have not desire to lynch you, and I am not scum.

I'm annoyed with how this day is going, it's a cluster f**k for town and now we get to start tomorrow not really any closer to knowing who scum might be because now anyone can use the excuse "flub wanted to be lynched" and any interactions that went with the lynch are almost pointless to look at. I'll be around this weekend but not sure I'll be over enthused about posting.

Can we please stop giving scum ideas on what to do over the night?

Unofficial Vote Count

flubbucket - 4 Votes (trentonlf 123/213; Bookwyrm627 187; adaliabooks 265; mchack 268/316; Krypsyn 308; ZFR 312)

Bookwyrm627 - 0 Votes - (mchack 15/56; Bookwyrm627 34/47; adaliabooks 39/46; Krypsyn 42/49, Hunter65536 108/172)

trentonlf - 0 Votes

dedoporno - 0 Votes (Leonard03 107/169)

adaliabooks - 2 Votes (ZFR 10/32; Hunter65536 16/108; Krypsyn 28/33; mchack 117/174; Leonard03 169; Krypsyn 171/308; ZFR 192/312; Sage103082 300)

Krypsyn - 1 Votes - (Sage103082 22/300; ZFR 32/62; Krypsyn 33/42; Krypsyn 49/61; trentonlf 72/123; Krypsyn 74/129; trentonlf 261)

ZFR - 0 Votes (adaliabooks 9/26; Bookwyrm627 12/30; Krypsyn 24/28)

Hunter65536 - 0 votes (Bookwyrm627 30/34)

Leonard03 - 0 Votes (adaliabooks 87/115; mchack 94/117; Bookwyrm627 127/127)

mchack - 0 Votes (ZFR 62/153; Bookwyrm627 127/187; Krypsyn 129/171; adaliabooks 197/265; trentonlf 213/261)

Sage103082 - 0 Votes - (trentonlf 20/72; Bookwyrm627 47/127; adaliabooks 55/65; Krypsyn 61/74; mchack 201/268)

HypersomniacLive - 0 Votes (mchack 56/94; flubbucket 80/97)

Lifthrasil (i.e. suicide vote) - 0 Votes (dedoporno 98/114)

Other - 0 votes (flubbucket 97/160)

Not Voting - HypersomniacLive, dedoporno, flubbucket, Hunter65536, mchack

How are you going to find scum in this setup??

For The Gitter Done.

Krypsyn's post #308 explains it eloquently. I'm just making it easy for town on Day One.

not a question for me, but well:
How do you find scum in a very classic mafia game? (8 player 1-2 scum no PR)
Scumhunting, I'd say.
How is this different in this setup other than converting can happen (which we'll notice and can act on accordingly unless ( one scum team doesn't do anything or both scum teams kill the same player)) and we as the town faction do have even more knowledge than each scum team has.

Well I do agree with the broad strokes of "scumhunting" as you put it. But how would you define it??

Is my action NOT scumhunting??