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This is off-topic - has anyone here tried Fortnite? Does anyone feel like trying it? It's quite a lot of fun, even more so when playing as a duo or a 4-person squad.
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dedoporno: This is off-topic - has anyone here tried Fortnite? Does anyone feel like trying it? It's quite a lot of fun, even more so when playing as a duo or a 4-person squad.
I have contemplated getting the single player version of it, but I think you are referring to the Battle Royale version that is free? If so I would be willing to give it a shot this coming weekend (I've watched a lot of people playing it on Twitch and it looks like fun)
Part I

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mchack: ... As for the "no omgus vote from me", that I left out. true.
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dedoporno: ...Not voting back (omgus or not) is obvious. Telling everyone you are not doing it is redundant.
so is your answer. redundant. I already conceded that I could have left it out. *-corrected the italic part in post #234 an hour before your answer-*

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mchack: as I said before, stating you are town is not something I view as particularly scummy. But since you do (you pointed out a sentence from me before in this game #142), I thought you should at least be fair and do it for everyone. Though in retrospect after having skimmed the whole thread I only found that adalia said he's human twice - nothing about being town, specifically.
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dedoporno: Another thing I never said anything about. At no point I disliked you stating that you are Town (to be honest I didn't even register such a thing and now I probably have to go back and find what you're referring to).
well here it is:
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mchack: ah, thanks but no thanks, I do find townie suicide pretty scummy, so I won't do that.
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dedoporno: So you'd do anything for love then?
that is you calling me lamist for pointing out I'm town. that's how I understood it at least. You actually meant something else by it?

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dedoporno: The only thing that I noted was you not voting back the person who voted and and letting everyone know you didn't do it. That's all. I wouldn't hold it against people claiming they are Town, it's only natural, regardless of their actual alignment.
see above. had already conceded. why do you keep on driving the same point?

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dedoporno: I may be mistaken but I'm getting the impression our conversation is trying to change it's direction to something it was not about originally...
yes you are mistaken. I'm trying to clear up what I meant with what I said and answering questions and asking when I'm unsure how you meant what you said.

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mchack: uhm? how is that relevant at all?
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dedoporno: It's was just a story I felt like sharing at that moment.
fair enough, still don't get how it applies here. really don't, even if others seem to do. Care to elaborate?

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HypersomniacLive: I have to ask - is there a way as town in this setup to actually know who is scum?
no.
Seems like a trick question. hmm, let me think: yes, after a flip. and after being converted (though then you're not town anymore). else no. no cop or anything. open setup. we all read it.

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mchack: [...] yes, I remember. But tell me how are you supposed to act when you are town? your usual self, avoiding doing scummy things, or for fear of being called out on it, acting all strange [...]
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HypersomniacLive: Did I say you should act all strange? I'm merely pointing out that the arguments in your post #218 are not exactly the sort that will clear you as town.
ok. But do tell me what do you do as town? not act strange (unless you always do), but don't be yourself either? Because that's what I'm doing. Being myself. Guess I need a few more games before my meta gets known :/

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mchack: [...] Incidently shouldn't town wyrm be coming up with something by now)? [...]
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HypersomniacLive: He kind of did early on, in a jokingly manner, but it went unnoticed.
Care to point?

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mchack: [...] well, it hasn't occured to me until you mentioned it. [...]
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HypersomniacLive: That's not exactly what's giving me trouble.
then what is?

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HypersomniacLive: Would you say that it's still probably so even if one were a town PR?
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dedoporno: I won't be discussing power roles. I suggest you don't either, unless it becomes very necessary.
Why? there's no power roles per se. And the question isn't about strategies of scum or masons or vanilla. Just if you think self preservation against being lynched kicks in as hard when you are a town PR as when you are scum or as you infered before always harder when you are scum.

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HypersomniacLive: Are you saying that:
(i) given the context of adaliabooks post #161, and
(ii) having taken into account it's D1,
that you thought adaliabooks may have been joking about placing a serious vote on mchack based on a gut feeling? And if so, you considered he may be joking about which part, his vote being a serious one, or the reasoning for it?
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dedoporno: Calling mchack scum. At the time it was just words, no votes. The reasoning was very D1, so it doesn't hold that much weight.
it was the first time someone called someone else scum seriously (as in he said serious vote, as in the opposite of jokingly - which explains my reactions)

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HypersomniacLive: Seriously?
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dedoporno: Seriously.
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dedoporno: By the way, should I be addressing you from now on when I'd like to discuss mchack related topics?
we all do - for everything. it's the all seeing eye, man.
Unofficial Vote Count
(Maybe?)

flubbucket - 1 Votes (trentonlf 123/213; Bookwyrm627 187)

Bookwyrm627 - 0 Votes - (mchack 15/56; Bookwyrm627 34/47; adaliabooks 39/46; Krypsyn 42/49, Hunter65536 108/172)

trentonlf - 0 Votes

dedoporno - 0 Votes (Leonard03 107/169)

adaliabooks - 3 Votes (ZFR 10/32; Hunter65536 16/108; Krypsyn 28/33; mchack 117/174; Leonard03 169; Krypsyn 171; ZFR 192)

Krypsyn - 1 Votes - (Sage103082 22; ZFR 32/62; Krypsyn 33/42; Krypsyn 49/61; trentonlf 72/123; Krypsyn 74/129)

ZFR - 0 Votes (adaliabooks 9/26; Bookwyrm627 12/30; Krypsyn 24/28)

Hunter65536 - 0 votes (Bookwyrm627 30/34)

Leonard03 - 0 Votes (adaliabooks 87/115; mchack 94/117; Bookwyrm627 127/127)

mchack - 2 Votes (ZFR 62/153; Bookwyrm627 127/187; Krypsyn 129/171; adaliabooks 197; trentonlf 213)

Sage103082 - 1 Votes - (trentonlf 20/72; Bookwyrm627 47/127; adaliabooks 55/65; Krypsyn 61/74; mchack 201)

HypersomniacLive - 0 Votes (mchack 56/94; flubbucket 80/97)

Lifthrasil (i.e. suicide vote) - 0 Votes (dedoporno 98/114)

Other - 0 votes (flubbucket 97/160)

Not Voting - HypersomniacLive, dedoporno, flubbucket, Hunter65536
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dedoporno: ..
Downloaded and installed fortnite



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Krypsyn: Unofficial Vote Count
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So no answer to my previous question??

Unvote mchack
Vote Krypsyn
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flubbucket: Agreed.

Lynch me.
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adaliabooks: I'm always happy to accept volunteers on day 1.
Too bloodthirsty for me, guess I’m a peacenik after all.

@hsl sorry to step on your play style but could you be more verbose about what you’d want to point out in games #25 and #30? I’ve gone through #30 but I’m still confused regarding the point you were trying to make.

@trent What do you think about mchack?

As of now I am a bit wary of adalia & dedo (seems like they’re reaching while arguing against mchack, adalia’s remark about kryspyn’s haphazard voting as consistent but I ain’t an expert so I’ll defer to better judgement), sage & Leonard (seems like they’re trying to fly under the radar) and kryspyn (haphazard voting and kryptic posting)
Grouped players by reasons and not by scum teams or some such.

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Krypsyn: .....
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trentonlf: So what are your thoughts on flub and Sage pertaining to this game?
What are your own thoughts about them?
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trentonlf: ...............
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flubbucket: Agreed.

Lynch me.
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trentonlf: Any particular reason you are feeling suicidal?

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I know I'm a sensible lynch at this juncture.
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trentonlf: ...............

Any particular reason you are feeling suicidal?

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flubbucket: I know I'm a sensible lynch at this juncture.
how so? Do explain in more depth, please.
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trentonlf: ...............

Any particular reason you are feeling suicidal?

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flubbucket: I know I'm a sensible lynch at this juncture.
Unvote mchack

Vote flubbucket

I'm going to read between the lines here... I know you're a lot cleverer then you pretend to be, so maybe you've worked out some of the things about this game that I have too and can what has to happen day 1.
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Hunter65536: adalia’s remark about kryspyn’s haphazard voting as consistent but I ain’t an expert so I’ll defer to better judgement
Seriously, does no one actually remember playing with Krypsyn?

Let's just say I have a reasonable idea of why he may want to do what he is doing. It's not quite indicative of alignment, but it's enough for me to leave him alone today.

@mchack
I appreciate the detailed defence, but just because I've unvoted you don't think it means I believe it. It smacks of scum trent from the last game I played (whichever one that was.. I can't really remember now).
I just happen to think flub might have a point.
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mchack: well here it is:
that is you calling me lamist for pointing out I'm town. that's how I understood it at least. You actually meant something else by it?
I did mean something else. I made a reference to Meatloaf :) That particular comment meant practically nothing in the context of the game.

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mchack: see above. had already conceded. why do you keep on driving the same point?
Not that I explicitly want to, but you keep shifting the conversation towards me bashing you for saying you were Town rather than the omgus thing. That's it.

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mchack: Why? there's no power roles per se. And the question isn't about strategies of scum or masons or vanilla. Just if you think self preservation against being lynched kicks in as hard when you are a town PR as when you are scum or as you infered before always harder when you are scum.
They may not have an active power but they do have a power which is important to have and to keep in secret for as much as possible. I don't know about the strategies adalia is referring to, even though I do have some ideas, but either way, unless it's necessary I don't think it's a good idea to discuss them since somethinig or everything might come out in the process. Since you insist on clearing that up let's take a look at a hypothetical situation (this is just an illustration - any part of it may or may not be as in the example):

HSL: "What if he has a PR?"
Dedo: "Does he? I don't think he does."
HSL: "He does."
Dedo: "How can you tell?"
HSL: "We're hackers".
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D2:
HSL and mchack have been killed.

or

HSL: "What if he has a PR?"
Dedo: "Does he?"
HSL: "He might."
flub/Leonard/whoever: "No, he doesn't! BS!!"
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D2:
flub/Leonard/whoever have been killed.

Mostly such concerns.

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flubbucket: I know I'm a sensible lynch at this juncture.
As a prime option? Or as a fallback?


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trentonlf: Downloaded and installed fortnite
Cool, let's try it. I'll reach out to you during the weekend. @Everyone else who might be interested - let me know.
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flubbucket: I know I'm a sensible lynch at this juncture.
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adaliabooks: Unvote mchack

Vote flubbucket

I'm going to read between the lines here... I know you're a lot cleverer then you pretend to be, so maybe you've worked out some of the things about this game that I have too and can what has to happen day 1.
ok, I'm feeling not very clever (again) but I really can't work out what "has to happen day 1" and how a suicide plays into that. I see that you aren't willing to talk about it, since you presumably don't want to help scum, but I'm still thinking it isn't something I can just forgoe and either vote against the suicidal or not without talking about it.
So barring any explanations from flub himself, here's the options I see:

flub is vanilla town - I don't have the slightest clue why he'd want to be lynched then. Chance of hitting scum today isn't so bad and as town, you at least know you're not the right target to hit scum. You don't do scum's work for them!
flub is mason - see above, but with a lot more exclamation points!
flub is scum (and really wants to be lynched) - well that's like the most townie thing I can imagine but just giving up like that is also not very nice to his scumbuddy or the mod or the rest of the players that want to have fun (as I remember flub says he plays for the fun) + in that case he could just right out claim scum and be done with it.
flub is scum (and doesn't really want to be lynched) - hmm, bold play. he did it last game, too, I remember. town then but wasn't lynched but converted that night and lynched the next day because he was investigated. no investigator in this game though. Might be he thinks he'll not get lynched this game for it either and tries to buy a free pass with it? pretty risky for that as seen by adalias vote.

argh, now my head hurts as I think about more options like scum (or mason) trying to be converted by another scum team. But why in the world would they try and convert a suicidal player? I simply don't get it.

anyway you get my vote for it until you explain, because I don't see any real town reason for asking to be lynched. (unless being "liddually" suicidal scum - but then at least come out and say it)

unvote
vote flubbucket
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mchack: ok, I'm feeling not very clever (again) but I really can't work out what "has to happen day 1" and how a suicide plays into that. I see that you aren't willing to talk about it, since you presumably don't want to help scum,
Yup.
I may well need to cover it eventually, but I'd rather not if I don't have to.

It may only make sense to me, so many things seem to, but the way this game is set up there are some very specific outcomes of how things should happen.

Of course WIFOM does throw a whole other layer on top of everything and means some of what I'm thinking may be off, but I think the basic premise is solid enough to work from without worrying about that.
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mchack: well here it is:
that is you calling me lamist for pointing out I'm town. that's how I understood it at least. You actually meant something else by it?
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dedoporno: I did mean something else. I made a reference to Meatloaf :) That particular comment meant practically nothing in the context of the game.
ah ok. neat song (first cd I ever bought btw.) should have asked about it sooner then. so that's cleared up. We're making progress. :) seems you haven't called anything I did lamist, only I did.

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mchack: Why? there's no power roles per se. And the question isn't about strategies of scum or masons or vanilla. Just if you think self preservation against being lynched kicks in as hard when you are a town PR as when you are scum or as you infered before always harder when you are scum.
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dedoporno: They may not have an active power but they do have a power which is important to have and to keep in secret for as much as possible. I don't know about the strategies adalia is referring to, even though I do have some ideas, but either way, unless it's necessary I don't think it's a good idea to discuss them since somethinig or everything might come out in the process. Since you insist on clearing that up let's take a look at a hypothetical situation (this is just an illustration - any part of it may or may not be as in the example):

HSL: "What if he has a PR?"
Dedo: "Does he? I don't think he does."
HSL: "He does."
Dedo: "How can you tell?"
HSL: "We're hackers".
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D2:
HSL and mchack have been killed.

or

HSL: "What if he has a PR?"
Dedo: "Does he?"
HSL: "He might."
flub/Leonard/whoever: "No, he doesn't! BS!!"
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D2:
flub/Leonard/whoever have been killed.

Mostly such concerns.
still haven't answered the question. and your hypothetical situations also hinge on you asking "Does he?" instead of a simple yes or no. (and on HSL, flub, Leonard, whoever being incredibly stupid)
Incidentally why would you even ask "Does he?" other than fishing? O.o