Let me posit another possibility about HypersomniacLive: he was aware that he wasn't really lynched when he posted.

I am mildly curious about that one, and I hope he answers it at some point.

That's an interesting thought. If so, I think he could have capitalized on it better (assuming he's scum).

Not really sure there is a whole lot to add at this point... I'd be interested in seeing what Hyper has to say and hope he does post, I'm hoping we might hit scum but I'm doubtful that even if we do we will hit the right scum...

Just posting to say I'm around again really and caught up.

I'm back from my doctor's appointment. Surprised, and relieved, to see that I'm alive, after all. But I'm still a bit pissed off.


Yeah, I normally would have, but I was racing to finish my post before I had to leave for my (second today) doctor's appointment, more so after I saw you put me at L-1 (something I find eyebrow raising). On hindsight, I should have just posted to wait for me, but didn't think of it at the time.



You simply can't let any chance pass to paint me as scum, and get a few more town points from the mason police, can you? You and your scum-buddy/buddies must be gleefully rubbing your hands with how things are going.


I'm not you, I don't need to capitalise on anything. Nor have I tried to, unlike you.



Actually no. I got pretty frustrated and pissed off with how eager some were to finish me off without as much as a thought of waiting to see what I had to say, you included; nobody unvoted to give me the chance to post when Kyrpsyn put me at L-1 (which, as I said, I find eyebrow raising). I just made that post and left home. I was trying to finish my post while running out of time for my doctor's appointment (but you conveniently missed this), and upon refresh - "here, have a hammer, see how much we care if you have anything to say"; my green light must have been invisible to all of you, otherwise I'm going to seriously think that (plural) you didn't want to let me speak.



I won't deny that I'm starting to get there.



I will answer it right now. I wasn't; I went to my doctor's appointment still frustrated and pissed off with the hammer, and you for happily putting me at L-1. I returned home just a while ago, and checked the thread more out of habit; I didn't expect an oversight to have spared me.


I'm done with this. Off to see if and how much of my post Lazarus has salvaged. Hope nobody hammers me before my next post.

your last post was over 24 hours ago. with no page setting > 50 post, no-one can see your light at the page you were "hammered" on.

So I gather you go for the vanilla claim same as the other two in the trio?
And you also go for leonard?

I find it a bit suspicious just how similar you three are.

Any thoughts on adalia or bookwyrm? have them down as town and won't vote for either I presume?

Ah. Shame.

Assumptions.

Unvote: HypersomniacLive

What browser do you use? Firefox killed my Lazarus installation a few updates ago, and I wasn't able to get it working again.

The boy is finally asleep.

I see you guys had fun while I was gone. @ZFR, regardless of HSL's actual alignment, hammering him without letting him speak was not cool.

That aside, I agree that a mislynched townie should at least try to point the rest of the team to what he believes is the correct track rather than just dropping off (there is a RL consideration here, though, which may have been the reason why).

Second similar point - checking what Lazarus has saved takes less than a minute and as far as I remember HSL is quite the fast reader. Wonder where he went.

PPE: I see he's back now, let's see.


I'm on Chome and I use it all the time. That thing saves lives.

I use Chrome as well, Lazarus is awesome.

Thank you. I can go now and do:
vote: HypersomniaClive

Please wait for his response and hammer as appropriate.

Sorry again for all the confusion, and I'm happy it turned out right.

Seriously mchack, even if I were scum, after all the fuss you've made, would I ever claim Mason? You must take me for either a very big fool, or a terribly lousy mafia player, or both, if you actually think I would.

I'll leave it at this, as I don't want things to get unpleasant.



Checking yes, finishing up not (Lazarus saved my post only partially). And getting the annoying flickering tab-titles notifications doesn't help either.

Now, I'd appreciate it if you'd let me finish.

Care to tell me what the point of me writing my response is, if the hammer is predetermined? It feels like it's just so you can all pat yourselves on the back for giving me a chance to post before you lynch me anyway.


Anyway, here it goes.

I'm quite more seriously ill than I thought (hence the doctor's appointment, tests and scans), and I won't apologise for prioritising getting well; it's, I hope understandably, a lot more important to me than partaking in this game as I'm expected to. Nor will I apologise (again) for my current state hindering me from braining all that well, or for prolonged periods of time, which in turn makes doing my reread, while trying to stay caught up, taking a lot longer than it would and I wanted (still not fully done). A reread I thought was necessary before commenting, as I was scum-reading mchack after a certain point D1, something I also said already.

As for giving mchack so much grief right before his claim - seriously? I was questioning him in an attempt to assess the meaning, and importance, of him not getting lynched D1, and I already said as much. Waking up sick on Saturday morning interfered with that, and then he just dropped the bomb, which meant I had a lot more reassessing to do.

And as if that wasn't enough, Leonard03 did more than enough to keep my spider senses tingling, just as D1, and I'd be damned if I didn't look into it, then Bookwyrm627 laid out his take on things, which led, among other things, to a pissing contest regarding whose reads are better; sorry, but quite a bit of that back and forth between mchack and him reads like that to me.



This gave me a good, but painful chuckle as it flared up my cough.

The scumdars of the mason police are in serious need of a good maintainance and recalibration, as they've been wrongly scum-reading me since D1, much to the delight of some, I suppose. And none of you stopped for a minute to consider that what may have been obvious to you because of your 24/7 chat, wasn't necessarily for any other townie.

I'm not going to claim something I'm not, so I won't claim Mason, never intended to, and I, of course, won't plead guilty.

You said that your D1 behaviour was an obvious soft-claim. Based on what reread I've managed to do so far, I'm inclined to disagree, and we can get into it post game, if you'd like. It does make your claim quite likely to be true, more so given a few things I observed Today, so I'm taking it at face value (I won't apologise, though, for scum-reading you D1, as others have done to get on your good side, I just hope you and your buddies are taking notes).
However, my reread makes a few things quite more puzzling on a couple of levels; while I can think of a possible explanation for some of them, I'm not sure it's satisfying for all and on all levels. It might, however, be that I don't brain all that well yet, so I'm quite curious to read the Mason QT post game.


I'm not particularly fond of the way you're framing this; I can tell you that your suspicions are wrong as far as myself is concerned, and I'm not sure I follow why we can't have our own opinion(s) on people, so long as they don't put a Mason at danger of getting lynched.

Is Bookwyrm627 capable of having written his exposition, as ZFR put it, as scum? I've said in the past that he's pretty good at riling and fooling people as either alignment, so I wouldn't put it past him. All things considered, I think it's more likely coming from a Bookwyrm627 with town's best interest in mind, though I wouldn't put my hand in the fire.

Would I do what he did, the way he did it? No, as, while I'm quite certain that scum have done their legwork the moment you claimed (and there's more than a bit they can discern, but we can discuss that post game too, if you'd like), the scenarios I run after D1 ended, said no Mason claiming/outing until D3, as them surviving N2 is crucial to our win.

Do I agree with adaliabooks and Bookwyrm627 going into detail what options each scum team has? I don't, and I'd rather they hadn't; I've already said that being careful about what things we discuss and how we phrase them is he prudent route. I have a few more things to say on this matter, but I'll abstain from getting into them as to not attract more discussion.

Having said that, you may want to ask yourselves if adaliabooks, Bookwyrm627 and I were scum-buddies, either all three on the same team, or any two of us on the same team, if we'd be that obvious about it. If your answer's yes, then you must think of all three of us as pretty bad mafia players, more so in a setup where the fear of exposing a Mason is a damn good cover for scum to use and hide behind. And a "yes" answer would be very disappointing on more than one level as it'd also make the mason police a trio of terrible, short-sighted readers of others.

Also, were I one of the Masons I'd be more concerned about some of those that, to various degrees, play nice and push all your right buttons; not everyone doing so is obedient (or convinced) town.

I'm town, so can't and don't have any scum-buddies. I don't know if either of the other two you want to lynch is scum; I can't say that they ping me (though I don't applaud the way they've handled some things), but I could be wrong about either of them; looks like I was wrong about you. As things stand, my vote on either adaliabooks or Bookwyrm627 would be out of self-pres, and not only for myself but town as well; the only one I'm certain of is myself.

<< Here ends what Lazarus saved >>

My strongest scum-read currently is Leonard03; I know you don't like it, and you won't listen, however I'd be remiss as a town member to not ask you, and your buddies to take a look at the arguments he made against you, as well as the deflection arguments he used Yesterday, and see how they fit with what he's been doing, and how easily he dropped it all and lined up with you. Then take a look at his arguments, and the timing of them, regarding his fear of lynching a Mason, and yet being willing to risk it out of fear of things going to No-Lynch Today, and see how they're all made to hit the right buttons with you.

I've been scum-reading him since D1, when he first made that comment about remembering how you become verbose when scum, as it felt like piggybacking on what others had said earlier (I knew he wasn't in the game you were scum); he was careful enough to leave himself wiggle room, but failed my questioning, which he attempted to shrug off, but I'm pretty sure that my questioning him put him on alert.

I also stand by my reading that his vote on me Yesterday was about to see how far my wagon would go (the scum-reading part is only his excuse Today), and who would be on and off of it. I don't think I need to say more for you to connect the dots.

I can go into more detail if anyone's interested; I've been typing and deleting them for a while now, as after ZFR's comment, it looks like it doesn't really matter what I (have to) say.

So, much to your disappointment, I'm afraid, my vote is here and it has nothing to do with trying to save a scum-buddy. You could make an attempt to at least try and see what those scum-reading Leonard03 see; you yourself said he's no Mason, so no danger there, and his chances of flipping scum are not lower than anyone else's. Or you can insist on lynching one of the three of us; for all intents and purposes, you've already lynched me. No Mason lynch with me, or the other two, and that's my only consolation. But if you believe that my lynch will bring town closer to winning, you're in for a nasty surprise. Perhaps you'll then reassess your (collective?) reads, and I hope it won't be too late, though I fear that it may well be.



Yeah well, being the resident unvoter isn't exactly AI, but thanks anyway.

As for the name change, I don't think I get it.

"as" in this case was meant as an "if". As in "decide whether to hammer as you see appropriate".

And, game aside, I really hope you do get well.

The thing I'm wondering about now is: would you have been able to write all this if you were scum? I think it's quite possible.

But, I also don't want to hit a townie.

Anyway, at this point I'm sure mchack is mason; I can see no other trio of masonwho would have acted the way they did through all this if his claim was false.
But I do get the feeling he might be tunneling too much. The three of you together are definitely not a scum team.

I'm willing to go for Leonard, since although not in the original 3 that mchack mentioned, mchack did vote for him later. And at the moment his is the only wagon that seems likely to happen before deadline, aside from yours.

Unvote HSL
Vote Leonard

HypersomniacLive, I always think you are scum. Invariably, something about how you post and phrase things just pings my scumdar. I think it is because you post so much, but vote so little. I have usually been wrong on thess occasions (and if I was ever right, it was probably coincidence)

However, this game I have not been getting scummy 'pings' from you. I have been uncertain what to think of this. Is this scummy you playing a little more carefully? Has my time away from the game changed my perspective? Whatever it is, I am both uneasy voting for you, and uneasy [i]not voting for you.

So, for better, or for worse:

Yep.

Vote: Leonard03