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Lifthrasil: @meda: I'm not shading you. Just pointing out what you did. I provided you with some links and a short time later you placed your vote, implying that you had solved my Meta. Which is either naive or arrogant, especially since your 'solution' led you to the wrong conclusion.
I never said I'd solved your meta lol. I said I think I recognize your scum meta please keep posting, ie my read is not secure. I am a fast reader!


@trent yay!! ^_^
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Dessimu: <snip>
To sum it up, we have a scum team of three players, as per rules. The only three players that connect in weird way are Lifthrasil, Bookwyrm and Yogsloth:
- Bookwyrm throws in some fluff, dodges questions about fluff, pretends to vote Yogsloth
- Lifthrasil questions Bookwyrm's fluff, dodges questions about questioning fluff, votes Yogsloth with weak reason and doesn't pursue it
- Yogsloth throws in some fluff, vouches for Lift being town, ckecks if mod is mortal

Unvote JMich
Vote Bookwyrm
Is there a reason you voted Bookwyrm as opposed to one of the other two?
VOTE COUNT

Bookwyrm627 @ L-5 - RWarehall, Dessimu
Lifthrasil @ L-5 - Bookwyrm627, medamiedo
yogsloth @ L-5 - Lifthrasil, JMich

cristgale @ L-6 - trentonlf
Dessimu @ L-6 - Sage103082

Not voting - flubbucket, HypersomniacLive, cristigale, yogsloth

<span class="bold">DAY 1 COUNTDOWN</span>
Post edited April 23, 2017 by dedoporno
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cristigale: Is there a reason you voted Bookwyrm as opposed to one of the other two?
For the moment I feel like voting for any of those three.

But... Lifthrasil is giving enough juice to go on determining his alignment. Yogsloth is the kind of player that doesn't respond to threats understandably. Bookwyrm, however, responds.
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yogsloth: [...] He wouldn't fake this bite at me as scum. [...]
[emphasis added]

Does this mean that you don't see his reaction fit into his scum-game meta? Or that he'd never convincingly pull it off as scum? Something else, and if so, what?



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Sage103082: OK I may have been away from mafia for a while. want to tell me what gg is? Good girls? Good Game? Great god? [...]
Great goat. ;-P

On a serious note, I know this one, it stands for "good game".


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Sage103082: [...] UNOTE FLUB as first day fun vote [...]
You may want to keep better track of your votes.

*points at latest vote count*



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Lifthrasil: [...] No. [...]
As in "no, it's not clearer, but drop it already"? Not sure if you really don't get it, or if you just act like you don't, but you seem a bit anxious to end this discussion...


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Lifthrasil: [...] You're free to expect whatever you want. [...]
But you're not going to address them? Why so dismissive, if not outright a tad hostile?


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Lifthrasil: [...] WHY wouldn't I bite you if I were scum? I probably could fake it if I were scum. Or is it because you are scum yourself and assume that I wouldn't attack you so early (especially with my history of being too loyal to scum partners). [...]
This raised an eyebrow, and I see it's not just mine.
So, scum-you would fake it and still jump on him, presumably as expected from town-you; while scum-yogsloth assumes that scum-you (or the bit in parenthesis has no place here) wouldn't attack him so early.

Not sure if you didn't just get yourself entangled in arguments that do you no favours while trying to push yogsloth, or if this is an attempt at distancing gone south while trying to appear to be pushing him.


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Lifthrasil: Yes. And I expect that he'll answer at least those. ;-)
No, I don't expect a truthful answer to the question if he is scum. That was more written open thinking on my part, since it would be the only way how he could be sure that I'm not scum.
But I do hope that he'll answer the first question and thereby starts to contribute.
I have to say your timing is pretty poor - you do know that yogsloth's hardly around over the weekends, right? Not that he was particularly present during the previous days, but still. Why didn't you push for more from him sooner? You've let him ignore your initial question(s) for days now, while talking about what he did with others, and it took Dessimu's intervention to finally do it.



And to prevent this from becoming an even longer wall of text, hitting the post button here, with a bit more to follow.
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trentonlf: [...] Anyway, as of right now my gut is saying cristigale. She has only repeated what others have said and really seems to be posting to post without making waves. I guess "ISO" her and see what you think. [...]
Is this a genuine gut reading, or a "gut" reading to justify your vote on her based on rather weak arguments? No need to answer; 'm just pondering out loud, and know what you're going to say.

I will, however, ask you for something. I assume that you can spend a little time at your PC instead of using your phone, with it being the weekend and all. I also assume that you have AF installed, and if not, I prompt you to install it. Then do a re-read (ISO) on yourself, and share with us what you contributed so far, and what waves you made.



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cristigale: [...] But supposedly, I should not agree or re-iterate what anyone has said, because that's my scum tell, it is not? Guess what? I do it as town. I share my thoughts. In a catch-up post, those thoughts are bound to be influenced by what others have said. I'm not going to make-up something just to sound original. Well, town-me doesn't do that. Scum-me is well aware of this 'tell' and would go out of my way to avoid it. [...]
You are aware that I expect you to make the very same claims as either alignment, especially this early in the game, right? Also, you do see how that last argument of yours isn't exactly working in your favour in terms of convincing us to take your so far play as genuine town, yes?



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Dessimu: [...] To sum it up, we have a scum team of three players, as per rules. The only three players that connect in weird way are Lifthrasil, Bookwyrm and Yogsloth: [...]
Is this your take on who the scum team is? If yes, don't you think that it's a tad too obvious for all three of them to be scum buddies?
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HypersomniacLive: Is this your take on who the scum team is? If yes, don't you think that it's a tad too obvious for all three of them to be scum buddies?
I think two of three are scum.
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dedoporno: VOTE COUNT

Bookwyrm627 @ L-4 - trentonlf, RWarehall, Dessimu

Lifthrasil @ L-5 - Bookwyrm627, medamiedo
yogsloth @ L-5 - Lifthrasil, JMich
Dessimu @ L-6 - Sage103082

Not voting - flubbucket, HypersomniacLive, cristigale, yogsloth

<span class="bold">DAY 1 COUNTDOWN</span>
Emm... Mr Mod? trentonlf voted cristigale here; is there a reason you didn't count this vote, and instead added him to those voting Bookwyrm627?
I just watched the whole thing. Bwhaaah!.. That is one crazy movie, stacked with good actors.
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HypersomniacLive: Emm... Mr Mod? trentonlf voted cristigale here; is there a reason you didn't count this vote, and instead added him to those voting Bookwyrm627?
The curse of copy-pasting. I have it correct in my table but copied bad data it seems. Thanks for pointing it out. I have rectified the original count but here is one more.

VOTE COUNT

Bookwyrm627 @ L-5 - RWarehall, Dessimu
Lifthrasil @ L-5 - Bookwyrm627, medamiedo
yogsloth @ L-5 - Lifthrasil, JMich

cristgale @ L-6 - trentonlf
Dessimu @ L-6 - Sage103082

Not voting - flubbucket, HypersomniacLive, cristigale, yogsloth

<span class="bold">DAY 1 COUNTDOWN</span>
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HypersomniacLive: Is this a genuine gut reading, or a "gut" reading to justify your vote on her based on rather weak arguments? No need to answer; 'm just pondering out loud, and know what you're going to say.

I will, however, ask you for something. I assume that you can spend a little time at your PC instead of using your phone, with it being the weekend and all. I also assume that you have AF installed, and if not, I prompt you to install it. Then do a re-read (ISO) on yourself, and share with us what you contributed so far, and what waves you made.
The gut knows what the gut knows. I have had AF installed since almost its inception, and I am very well away of what my ISO will say. But as I said, there's a method to my madness :)
Would you like a donut?

P.S. Go back and carefully ready cristi's response to me again and note how much she has to profess to be town to be acting the way she is. I still have donuts if you would like one.
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cristigale: [...] So, I've got pretty much nothing right now. Do you suspect anyone?
Is there a reason you singled out yogsloth to ask if he suspects anyone?


And something I accidentally cut out when editing my previous post:

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cristigale: [...] Do you expect something different from town-me at this point in the game? [...]
Should I expect something different from scum-you at this, or any other, point in the game? Didn't you just state that you go out of your way to avoid any scum-tells?



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trentonlf: The gut knows what the gut knows. I have had AF installed since almost its inception, and I am very well away of what my ISO will say. But as I said, there's a method to my madness :)
Would you like a donut?

P.S. Go back and carefully ready cristi's response to me again and note how much she has to profess to be town to be acting the way she is. I still have donuts if you would like one.
*points at post #156, just under the part trentonlf just replied to*

Am I to understand that your vote and reasoning was bait she took?

As for the doughnut, I'd like to say yes, but I'm starting to wonder if it's a trick question.
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cristigale: [...] So, I've got pretty much nothing right now. Do you suspect anyone?
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HypersomniacLive: Is there a reason you singled out yogsloth to ask if he suspects anyone?

And something I accidentally cut out when editing my previous post:

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cristigale: [...] Do you expect something different from town-me at this point in the game? [...]
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HypersomniacLive: Should I expect something different from scum-you at this, or any other, point in the game? Didn't you just state that you go out of your way to avoid any scum-tells?

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trentonlf: The gut knows what the gut knows. I have had AF installed since almost its inception, and I am very well away of what my ISO will say. But as I said, there's a method to my madness :)
Would you like a donut?

P.S. Go back and carefully ready cristi's response to me again and note how much she has to profess to be town to be acting the way she is. I still have donuts if you would like one.
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HypersomniacLive: *points at post #156, just under the part trentonlf just replied to*

Am I to understand that your vote and reasoning was bait she took?

As for the doughnut, I'd like to say yes, but I'm starting to wonder if it's a trick question.
Bait, no. She's one of several I suspect at this point, and I have to push someone at some point to gauge responses and I felt she was a good choice.

I assure you the donuts are not a trick question ;-)
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medamiedo: Thank you for your generosity!!!! I've always wanted a pen and pencil set! I've been playing mafia for about 4 months, in which time I have played like 8ish games maybe. What's yours?
You are welcome. I hope they provide many hours of writing enjoyment, but they probably won't, as I got four of them for a dollar at "99 cents only" the other day and they were made in Saipan.

I have played mafia on GOG for a couple of years, I think, give or take, with this my first game in over six months. I think. I've played a few games on Mafia Universe, which are fun, but wordy to the extreme.

My favorite joys are killing, followed by stabbing, and to a lesser degree stabbing and shooting.


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HypersomniacLive: Does this mean that you don't see his reaction fit into his scum-game meta? Or that he'd never convincingly pull it off as scum? Something else, and if so, what?
More the second one. I mean, you know I'm gonna do something like this; most people know I'm gonna do something. Like Dessimu. (Have I killed him yet? I should kill him first.) Lift knows that too. He's like WOOBA WOOBA WHA WHA and if his moral outrage I think is real because of it. I think if he were scum he'd just be annoyed and be like "oh yogs you so crazy, let's lynch Trent lololol". Unless trent were his buddy. I can't remember what I was talking about.
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trentonlf: 1. So I am to assume you only do this as town? My bad, you are cleared as scum
2. You are absolutely correct again, man how could I be so bad at this game that I didn't clear you before I suspected you!
3. I again apologize for suspecting you, I should never except anything different from you in any game. *as for an example, I don't do the reading and posting of previous games. We are playing this game, not some game from the past*
4. There's a method to my madness! Would you like a donut?
(emphasis added)

Are you saying your stated suspicion and vote are purely based on this game and nothing more? No meta involved? If so, I simply don't buy it. The initial post felt like deva-ju. Your vote and reasoning seems like a throw back to another game.

If you're town and poking me, that's fine, everyone deserves scrutiny.

I don't get the sarcasm in your second point or how it relates to your read on me. I said that you were doing the same thing (posting to post without making waves) as one of your stated reasons for voting me. You placed a vote on me for something you did yourself. I didn't say you were bad at this game. If you really heard, "trent's a bad player" from what I said, I apologize, that was not my intention. From my POV, that part of your vote is hypocritical. I get the sense that your reaction was genuine. And if so, I did not intend to come off that strong. If you are scum, well, you can stuff it. ;)

Yes, I'd like a cream-filled donut with plentiful rum mixed in. :-)