Exactly what it says.

btw, I'm just going to drop this here in a format that is both more informative and doesn't make my friggin' eyes bleed:

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(unofficial) Vote Count

A_Future_Pilot - 4 (Bookwyrm627, CSPVG, trentonlf, yogsloth)
Hijack - 1 (Vitek)
cristigale - 1 (Krypsyn)

Not voting - (bler144, dedoporno, JMich, HijacK, Dessimu, A_Future_Pilot, cristigale)

With thirteen players, closest to lynch is AFP at L-3

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Ah, so by STU you meant voting for someone you think isn't pulling their weight. Gotcha.

Unvote AFP
Vote Hijack


Since AFP is getting replaced I see no point in continuing to vote him, I really just wanted him to speak up and was putting a little more pressure on him.

As for a no lynch, that's still a bad idea for day 1. So I am moving my vote to Hijack, nothing solid to go on but a gut feeling at this time so let's see what happens.

I think I'll join you but I still want to hear from AFP or whoever replaces him.

Same here, hopefully flub can find someone soon.

Fixed that for ya...

Point taken, sorry about that.

Forgot we don't need a majority. I'm all discomboobulated.

No sweat.

I make the Vote Counts eyeball offensive so they're easier to spot.

From now on I'll just lightly spritz them with jasmine so they can be found.

Alright, well, I got crap to do I've been avoiding, and we're at that part of the game where the deadline is almost two days away... so half the players just sit there quietly, sighing dejectedly: "The deadline is still xxx hours away SIGH... so I guess I better not vote or do anything until it's a little closer... SIGH"

Give me a tweet if anybody does anything interesting. @srslydgaf

Our mod
is an awesome mod
He reigns
from that booth over there
With wisdom, power, and wine
Our mod is an awesome mod.

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Tah. I'm of the opinion that we should lynch anyone that blames the post restriction for Drealmer being mod-killed. Haiku's are easy, and there is no reason to assume Drealmer would have been mod-killed because he was targeted with that restriction. Caveat: If someone knew that a component of the PR was a timer into Mod Kill (or similar oddities), that invalidates what I just said.

Though if I were scum and I caused a simple post restriction that resulted in this, I'd probably be giggling like a maniac after I picked my jaw up off the floor.

Then I'm not clear on what you were getting at.
You seemed to say:
-Town prize winner didn't do it.
-Town role didn't do it.
-No role we could choose in the list would have the ability at all.

That only seems to leave a mafia owned prize, or a role that wasn't in the list we could choose from.

I could easily see it fitting into the Mystery Role, because hey, "Mystery" is right in the name. I could see it being a hidden addition to the JOAT role (remember the game where the JOAT could give someone a piece of fruit?). Might fit with the Jailer or Roleblocker, though both of those would be a stretch.

Heck, maybe the Daykill form of the Vig shot is to make someone post in Haiku until they spontaneously develop mod-shot wounds some hours later. I doubt this is the case, since I'd think it would be cleared that the Day Vig was used (and hopefully even who used it).

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I don't think I've seen anyone even hint at that idea, precisely for the reason you state. He wouldn't have known much, but he'd have at least known one role was present in the game. I strongly doubt he went for Vanilla.

A big reason I am against Drealmer being reinserted: What if that post restriction wasn't a one time thing, and Drealmer gets hit again? How many FTSIQ should he get in one game?

My thought is simple: Difference in attitude and reason.
-Get busy, and realize you can't play? Get a sub, because we don't have perfect control over RL (additionally, I seem to recall AFP mentioning he might not have time during sign up).
-Just don't like a restriction that hit you? Try to deal with it; not every game can be favorable. Drealmer wanted out because he had a (likely one day) post restriction. He wasn't even under much danger of being lynched, that I could see.

I don't see Flub including mod-kills as a secret event. I just don't see a way to balance "Your side suddenly experiences a random death, now off you go to the observer thread with zero warning about your impending death".

Thanks for reminding me of the secret events, though. The post restriction might have been one of those, though I'm not sure what might have triggered it.

I don't see a way to bluff about requesting a replacement. T'ain't cricket, as far as I'm concerned, for similar reasons that they instructed pretend victims to yell "Pineapple!" instead of "Help!" while practicing lifeguard techniques during Boy Scouts.

I don't see how you get from "Drealmer has a post restriction" to "Yog is mafia". For that matter, why should Drealmer's death break that chain, when him alive didn't? Maybe I'm just broadcasting my choices too much, but I really don't see where you are going with this. If Yog was mafia before Drealmer died, why isn't he mafia after Drealmer died?

Again, it looks to me like the only person that seems to think you have no credibility is you.

No, seriously. Assume the rest of us aren't completely blind and set the case before us. Yes, scum are likely to try and spin things. Yes, Town has a habit of being blind. However, pretty much Town's whole job is to try and see through the lies. A case not made is a case that doesn't need to be spun.

We know Yog is tricky. He managed to get the (virtually confirmed) Town Arsonist lynched!

I actually wrote a paragraph to address the "town-y" question that just said LAMIST over and over. I can still post it if you'd like.

Instead I opted to answer the substantive part of the question and let everyone else decide for themselves.

It was a bit of a joke, since I believe N=2. That first game, and then Lift's game are the only 2 I can think of. If you are scum pushing a beef on me, it would be quite ironic since that was my premise for pushing a beef on you.

I know you've blocked that game from your memory banks, which is fair.

The actual counter, moreso than HSL's complaint that I always see him as scum (not true - just the two times he was!), is that while I observed your play from the outside, I have no idea what our chemistry would really look like in a game where we're both town.

That...seems like you're at least stretching my argument quite a bit. I don't believe I was making a "slippery slope" argument built on precedence as the core point.

In my view a mod-kill is the mod intervening in the game. That has repercussions. It may be necessary but it's not to be taken lightly. Even my very light intervention on something last game I weighed very carefully. It did not end up impacting the outcome, but I had to think very carefully about all the ways I might inadvertently give the game inertia outside of the players' actions.

A mod intervening in the thread to prevent scum lynches is bad news, period, and if it becomes necessary things are already moving downhill. At best it's done to avert total catastrophe, and I don't see that being in play here.

So no, the point isn't the precedent, it's that even mods who are using the restriction as penalty for another infraction haven't brought the hammer when someone with an infraction starts stacking them up. If drealmer's restriction was player initiated, then his OMG post was an infraction, sure, but the death penalty seems harsh for a first offense.

Is that what happened? I'm not sure.

Maybe flub did warn drealmer privately, IDK, but I have at least the sense that's not the case. As yogs described it it was a "heavy finger + sneeze."

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Torn on what to do about voting. AFP would seem little more than the type of policy lynch RW raised when we were talking about getting Lift a sub 2 games ago. Not exactly the same since AFP is asking for a sub before his neck's actually on the line, but a number of similarities.

Between Hijack/AFP...I tend to favor AFP. If AFP is scum, that sub would have a good leg up. Hijack hasn't exactly been verbose, but he at least has something>0 on the table.


**BTW, if someone did restrict drealmer on a lark, personally I'd like to hear it as it 's the main reason I'm obsessed with yogs. Obviously I still might be suspicious if it were cristi/dedo/dess, particularly since dess has already denied it. But if it were someone else, I think it could be potentially helpful/clarifying.

pre-post refresh:

Not quite. I got flub lynched since I'd copped him, yogs was just relieved to have it resolved. Yogs did manage to bluff me out of the no lynch-prisoner's dilemma I'd been trying to setup the whole of D5 since I knew flub was SK and suspected yogs was scum. I just failed.

As for this game, I can't make the case without full claiming, which to an extent I could do, except I'd also have to claim for someone else. And that I won't do since I don't know if they're town or not. It's a shit show and I don't know how to get out of it.

So no, I can't make that case now to push for yogs. Honestly if anything I thought I was being overly overt, but most people still appear confused, so what do I know.

Maybe this will help.

I really thought someone would have remembered this....or found it.

We didn't forget. Some others brought it up, but I discounted it, because I don't know what could possibly be the trigger.

Assuming you are referring to the drealmer7 thing, anyway.