??? CK2 is one of the biggest sellers of all the Paradox developed games. It has sold very well. The GG version that fans claimed they'd buy in droves didn't, hence Pdox dropping that and going with the version where 95% of their sales occurred.

So you were brainwashed by your parents?

I didn't mean sales for the game, but sales for the DRM-free version specifically.

The GG version was the specifically Steam free version. They only went ahead with that because people claimed they'd buy that version of it if it existed. Not so much...the vocal minority didn't represent sales beyond the vocal minority.

I've never seen any claim that there was going to be a 100% DRM free version anywhere.

GamersGate is listed as DRM free. It does require a connection to download the DLC, but not to actually play it.

Well the [gamersgate] page claims it is, and some people brought it up in the thread.

Implying there is a DRM-free version available somewhere, as opposed to just a steam-free version.

It requires an internet connection to install the base game. Or at least the few games I got from there that are listed as DRM-free do. I assume it would be the same for this game.

For anyone that has Gamersgate games listed as DRM Free and want to make actual backups of the installers check this post here.

Some of the installers might not even need it. The Dungeons and Dragons Anthology unrars a full installer on your hard drive that can be backed up easily.

Yes I know posting more about removing the DRM from the GG installers has a slim chance of raising awareness to companies that might complain. However with the questionable state of the company after continued screw-ups that cost them money, I find it more important to let people know how to back up their purchases if they aren't aware.

People like Steam. A small minority who do not changes nothing. The sooner you accept it the better your gaming experience will be.

Oh wow, if this is the case, I will be boycotting Paradox, a company I love, going forward. I am fine with them selling Gamersgate, but if they abandon their DRM philosophy with their strategy releases, I will stop buying them.
This doesn't matter if you will not willingly give up your legal rights to access your steam account though, does it?

Paradox on GOG would be HUGE, and I think they'd do quite well here.

Amen. The theme of the 2000's for me has been corporate cheerleading, which I find intensely distressing. Any company that holds your past purchased game library hostage with a gun to your head, forcing you to either sue them, or agree to never be able to sue them is not a company I want anything to do with.

If you mean Valve, they didn't change it so you couldn't sue them. They changed it so you couldn't use a class action lawsuit. Which is a change following a courtcase somewhere else completely that made this possible, and a lot of places changed their rules to follow that.

You can still sue them all you want.

With this kind of mentality we would still have DRM on audio files and limited activation... a small minority might be unlikely to change things but on the other side a silent majority never will change anything.

A silent majority is a majority who do not care...

That's exactly the issue.

They might just read this as "submit for your own good." I my experience, you accept steam when a certain game (in my case, Empire TW) breaks you.

Actually went through the five stages of "depression" when I heard that E:TW was steamworks :)

But it had mostly to do with the fact that my internet connection at the time was shit, not the client tbh