Judging from the activity in the two threads, nobody seems to care about the US debt. :)

I don't understand their logic either.

I mean, what's wrong with Gil?

Yeah well duuuh. You gave everyone a fishing rod. They caught fish. Far too many. Now there will soon be none. If you took some, but not too much, and gave it to people, you wouldn't have this problem now would you?

Caricature, but still...

First, I would say, "Go make your own rod or does my T-Shirt read: I fix your fishing business?" And then when they come back, I would say "Well you ate all the fish? Then die now and learn the lesson. Harharhar.".



Of course not. I am very peaceful and friendly. .)

Because they think Reps aren't crazy enough to let the USA collapse to take the power? Considering how many wars the disgusting shit the Americans call "politicians" have started, I think they are crazy enough to do this kind of stuff and more....

Ohhh, you guys are serious about the fish. Heh, I thought it's a caricature for our economic system where... never mind. Let me join the party:

I'd give every fish a weapon. There, I fixed it, now it's better.

Giving a "fishing rod" teaches the poor man, that you have to achieve something to earn something.

I thought metaphoric language is easy enough for socialists, but I was mistaken. :P

No you can't do that! In the end, all the fish will unite and conquer us. :(


:) Probably the fishes were an analogy, but analogies only can resemble the true situation to a certain extent and afterwards it's useless.

everyone understand the metaphor. which is old and known to most 4 year olds.

you didn't get theirs.

Metaphors only work if they also work in the context in which they were presented. As a rule of thumb, never, ever use fish. They are the kryptonite of failed analogies. They stink. And they can't be used as a trade for Gog's. What are they good for anyway.

I seem to recall wanting to prove a point. I have failed completely. You won again, fish.

It also happened in Germany. Now everything here is too fucking expensive, unless you are rich.

If I get you right, a strong leader, even a dictator, is usually needed to get things done?

Maybe that works in many countries (like North Korea), but not everywhere. I think it is a cultural thing whether a nation yearns for a lead figure, a strong leader. To me it seems that e.g. here in Finland president and prime minister are always only seen as civil servants, nothing more really (ok there was certain long time "strong president" in the 70s, but after that...).

I think many Western democracies have not fallen into the pitfall you mention. I feel that e.g. Estonia has done all the right moves (at least so far) to survive in global economy, and I don't think they are a kingdom or dictatorship. I'm sure there are other good examples too. In democracies, the decision-makers must get people acceptance to hard decisions, and in some democratic countries that seems to be easier than others. Also, I do feel some countries by default pull more together than others. Take Japan for example, and how they coped with their tsunami and nuclear disaster: people lining up quietly and in order to get food and help etc. In some other countries in similar disasters, there has been total mayhem, Haiti for example.

The problems are not similar in all democratic multiparty countries. I gave tiny Estonia as a prime example from Europe, they don't have huge deficit even though they were also clearly hit by the crisis. Maybe, as long as people in general don't feel injustice, they are happier to work together for the common good?

If not, then I guess strong leadership is needed who will make all opposing voices quiet.

In Canada too, prices go up constantly. I don't know how is it possible because we don't have the euro...

We had our share of getting things done leaders the last centaury. They were living nightmares. Compared to this parlamentary chaos seems like paradise.

Only of course we don't want to pay the bill now for sins that we haven't done. If they would have at least invited us to the party... ok, but anyway nobody liked us and they didn't let us win the championship - so no money now. :(

:)))

Well, resources are getting scarce, it would seem. Oil, metals, plastics, foodstuffs, services, wages... rising prices everywhere.

That's hardly connected with what currency you have. Unless of course we're talking Zimbabwe.