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anjohl: An incorrect definition is the fault of the interpreter. DRM is digital rights management. Anything that manages digital rights is DRM.

The ONLY games that do NOT contain DRM are those that do not require a CD key/account login/client/internet connection/etc, and are sold as raw *.exe files. Everything else is DRM. This is not a position, this is hard fact.
But...but my opinions...
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Neobr10: Nope, this is not a black and white issue. For example: can a game that has no protection at all but requires a cd-key for online play be called DRM-free? For me it is DRM-free, but some people think that cd-key checks in multiplayer mode are DRM.
Personally if the CD-key is required and the game only offers one platform to play multiplayer and that is online (no LAN option) I would consider the multiplayer part DRM and if there's no single player, the entire game has DRM. How could it not be? You will need the CD-key to play just like Steam requires its application to play most games.
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JohnnyDollar: ...My thoughts? ...
It's probably just PR talk. We had such statements from various big publishers in the past and nothing really changed. They say what they think gamers want to hear and they do what they think they have to do. It could be different this time but anyway only what is done in the end counts, not what is said.

Mostly the big publishers and distributors really love DRM but they don't want it to be called like that.
Post edited May 03, 2013 by Trilarion
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Bloodygoodgames: They're morons, as well as completely unconcerned about their customers' satisfaction...
.... That's why the only EA games I would ever buy are on GOG.
I could not have said that better myself.
And sadly, Zenimax, Bethesda is going the same route, they outright refuse to release even their older games outside steam.

The best solution is to vote with the wallet and not buy their stuff, regardless of how amazingtastic their games may be.
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anjohl: and are sold as raw *.exe files. Everything else is DRM. This is not a position, this is hard fact.
Hard fact: only Windows and Symbian games can be DRM free. :p
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anjohl: An incorrect definition is the fault of the interpreter. DRM is digital rights management. Anything that manages digital rights is DRM.

The ONLY games that do NOT contain DRM are those that do not require a CD key/account login/client/internet connection/etc, and are sold as raw *.exe files. Everything else is DRM. This is not a position, this is hard fact.
Language doesn't really work that way. It's always in flux.

Try mathematics.
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anjohl: An incorrect definition is the fault of the interpreter. DRM is digital rights management. Anything that manages digital rights is DRM.

The ONLY games that do NOT contain DRM are those that do not require a CD key/account login/client/internet connection/etc, and are sold as raw *.exe files. Everything else is DRM. This is not a position, this is hard fact.
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StingingVelvet: Language doesn't really work that way. It's always in flux.

Try mathematics.
You , sir , made my morning!
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Elenarie: Why the sarcasm? Or would you also not eat all pizza if you tried one or two that were bad?
I would like to spray some pepper and salt on my pizza as opposed to eat it under close watch of its former owner, thank you very much. It seems that you are utterly incapable to actually see disadvantages of always online approach.
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Trilarion: It's probably just PR talk. We had such statements from various big publishers in the past and nothing really changed. They say what they think gamers want to hear and they do what they think they have to do. It could be different this time but anyway only what is done in the end counts, not what is said.
I think this pretty much sums it up. There's some heavy anti-DRM sentiment in the mainstream now and publishers are trying to benefit from that without actually doing anything (notable exception: CDPR). There are various games in retail stores now that actually have a "DRM free" sticker on the box. EA and Valve have already done it. I'd expect Ubisoft to chime in some point soon about how UPlay is a service platform, not DRM.
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jamyskis: I think this pretty much sums it up. There's some heavy anti-DRM sentiment in the mainstream now and publishers are trying to benefit from that without actually doing anything (notable exception: CDPR). There are various games in retail stores now that actually have a "DRM free" sticker on the box. EA and Valve have already done it. I'd expect Ubisoft to chime in some point soon about how UPlay is a service platform, not DRM.
I think they'll just turn all games into MMOs. And the people rejoiced.
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P1na: I think they'll just turn all games into MMOs. And the people rejoiced.
That's basically been EA's gameplan for a while already. Years back they already said they were done with single player. They backtracked on that statement because it sounded wrong but obviously they meant that multiplayer/social would become an integral part of their games, so they can make games seemingly without DRM that require purchase anyway to be able to properly play them with all the features you'd want, just like MMO's.
Post edited May 03, 2013 by Pheace
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JohnnyDollar: ...My thoughts? ...
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Trilarion: It's probably just PR talk. We had such statements from various big publishers in the past and nothing really changed. They say what they think gamers want to hear and they do what they think they have to do. It could be different this time but anyway only what is done in the end counts, not what is said.

Mostly the big publishers and distributors really love DRM but they don't want it to be called like that.
I'm not sure. There seem to be less and less draconian DRM (I disregards the singularity which is SimCIty here). UBI, for example, has loosen it's policy quite a lot. It may be a slow process, but I think that it has loosen up a little.

(and in a way, I think we can thank the rise of the clients for that)
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amok: ...
That's like saying being punched in the guts is better than being stabbed. F' those publishers and their DRM, I don't need video games to survive, so I'll just keep boyotting all their DRM schemes, no matter what they call it now.
Great article, now I have yet another EA suit I'd like to punch in the fucking soul. Repeatedly. With a planet.

How asshole-ish can you be to claim that DRM is a dead-end strategy and then go and DEFEND EVERY SINGLE EA DRM SCHEME EVER? This company needs to die a horrible death...
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Bloodygoodgames: They're morons, as well as completely unconcerned about their customers' satisfaction...
.... That's why the only EA games I would ever buy are on GOG.
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Solei: I could not have said that better myself.
And sadly, Zenimax, Bethesda is going the same route, they outright refuse to release even their older games outside steam.

The best solution is to vote with the wallet and not buy their stuff, regardless of how amazingtastic their games may be.
Absolutely. Plus to buy as many games on GOG as you can possibly afford. Then, when other companies see how well those companies who WILL sell their older games on GOG are doing, it's only human nature that they'll want a piece of the pie. And then...... we all benefit :)