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General discussionEA CEO, John Riccitiello, tells us what he thinks of the whole DRM fiasco...(69 posts)(69 posts)
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Posted October 17, 2008
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ken007: And calling someone a masochist, because they're boycutting a game is simply silly. There are so many other games to choose from, that one game is like a drop of water.

And - apart from that - it seems to me, that someone is a true masochist, when he's ready to install games with harmful malware seriously damaging his computer's capabilities, rather than not install them at all.
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Posted October 17, 2008
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ken007: And calling someone a masochist, because they're boycutting a game is simply silly. There are so many other games to choose from, that one game is like a drop of water.
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sahib: And - apart from that - it seems to me, that someone is a true masochist, when he's ready to install games with harmful malware seriously damaging his computer's capabilities, rather than not install them at all.

But in all reality, the vast majority of gamers probably don't even know that there's, in some cases and not all, harmful DRM on their games. That's why I like the minority of gamers, who yell very loud about harmful DRM. But in my opinion those gamers should stick to and exhaust the legal actions, which they can take to, in essence, annoy the publishers.
Posted October 17, 2008
Check two links in my post above - those two cases are already lost to EA.
Posted October 17, 2008
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sahib: Check two links in my post above - those two cases are already lost to EA.

You do know that I'm not arguing against lawsuits, right? :P Cause I'm for them and they are one of the legal actions, one can take against publishers. It's just not something many gamers are willing to initiate and therefore the second best thing to do, is a boycut imo.
Posted October 17, 2008
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sahib: Check two links in my post above - those two cases are already lost to EA.
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ken007: You do know that I'm not arguing against lawsuits, right? :P Cause I'm for them and they are one of the legal actions, one can take against publishers. It's just not something many gamers are willing to initiate and therefore the second best thing to do, is a boycut imo.

That's why I'm not buying anything from EA (or Ubisoft for that matter) and I filed two separate complaints with the FTC :)
Posted October 17, 2008
This is a total lose-lose situation.
If gamers don't buy games we lose, out on good games and enjoyment. Why we by them in the first place, correct?
Companies like EA lose, revenues (try and tell me the Amazon/spore sit. didn't raise any eyebrows) and those companies then say that PC gaming is a waste. We'll give them crappy ports so that if they do pirate the damn game all they're getting is a second rate product anyway. I wonder though if it was the masses speaking up that causes EA to pay atten. or that Spore was pirated already a full week BEFORE it was released. hmmm....
I can certainly tolerate some level of DRM but not the kind that limits installs or carry mal-ware. Unfortuately EA doesn't care what I think and won't ever care what any of us think unless they lose enough money. If that happens though EA will carry on and the poor devs. get the boot. An unacceptable situation that piracy does not help anything but to accelerate.
Posted October 17, 2008
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whodares2: This is a total lose-lose situation.

You're forgetting about the most important point of all this - free market and competition. Quality of EA's games is abysmal in most cases - they lose sales. They put that invasive, harmful DRM - they lose sales some more. It doesn't really matter if they start making even more pathetic games or if they abandon the PC market - there will be tens if not hundreds of different companies, that WILL learn from EA mistakes and take over EA's share of the market. So in any case this is a total win-win situation for us - the only possible looser is EA and similar companies.
Posted October 17, 2008
I agree with sahib, although I was looking forward to Dead Space, but if that game also has the same DRM scheme as Spore I might reconsider buying it. But as sahib says, there are going to be many more games for the PC in the future by other developers and publishers and if we as potential customers show EA that we're not taking that shit (with legal actions), those other publishers will take heed and not make the same mistakes as EA. But if we just pirate the games, then other publishers will just try to protect their investments with even stricter DRM.
Posted October 17, 2008
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ken007: I agree with sahib, although I was looking forward to Dead Space, but if that game also has the same DRM scheme as Spore I might reconsider buying it.

If I remember correctly, JR said in one interview that the DRM used in Spore is their default DRM scheme for all upcoming titles... I already cancelled my pre-order...
Posted October 17, 2008
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ken007: I agree with sahib, although I was looking forward to Dead Space, but if that game also has the same DRM scheme as Spore I might reconsider buying it.
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sahib: If I remember correctly, JR said in one interview that the DRM used in Spore is their default DRM scheme for all upcoming titles... I already cancelled my pre-order...

That's too bad. Do you know if it's more restrictive than the DRM in the upcoming Far Cry 2?
Posted October 17, 2008
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ken007: That's too bad. Do you know if it's more restrictive than the DRM in the upcoming Far Cry 2?

It's the same SecuROM system - the only difference is the revoke tool added to Far Cry 2. EA promised a similar tool for Spore, but they haven't published it yet, so - knowing EA reputation - I guess it will be 3 activations period for Dead Space as well. We can probably only dream about revoke tools from EA.
Posted October 17, 2008
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ken007: That's too bad. Do you know if it's more restrictive than the DRM in the upcoming Far Cry 2?
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sahib: It's the same SecuROM system - the only difference is the revoke tool added to Far Cry 2. EA promised a similar tool for Spore, but they haven't published it yet, so - knowing EA reputation - I guess it will be 3 activations period for Dead Space as well. We can probably only dream about revoke tools from EA.

I hope they'll implement the revoke tool aswell, since that would be a good start. Have you by the way heard if the DRM in Spore is in any way degrading system performance?
Posted October 17, 2008
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sahib: It's the same SecuROM system - the only difference is the revoke tool added to Far Cry 2. EA promised a similar tool for Spore, but they haven't published it yet, so - knowing EA reputation - I guess it will be 3 activations period for Dead Space as well. We can probably only dream about revoke tools from EA.
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ken007: I hope they'll implement the revoke tool aswell, since that would be a good start. Have you by the way heard if the DRM in Spore is in any way degrading system performance?

I don't have any personal experience, but there was an article where a guy claimed, that after applying a crack to original Spore installation he got rid of system lock-ups and improved framerates. It will probably vary from machine to machine, but in general DRM systems DO degrade performance.
As for the revoke tool - I wouldn't get my hopes up...
Post edited October 17, 2008 by sahib
Posted October 17, 2008
Having read up on the DRM in Far Cry 2, I would buy it as long as it didn't impair my performance. If EA implemented a DRM scheme like that and didn't make it any worse, they would definitely get me personally to respect them alot more.
Posted October 17, 2008
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ken007: Having read up on the DRM in Far Cry 2, I would buy it as long as it didn't impair my performance. If EA implemented a DRM scheme like that and didn't make it any worse, they would definitely get me personally to respect them alot more.

For me it's a very simple matter - I will never accept anything more than a CD/DVD check and/or serial number. You deal in harmful DRM - you don't get my money. Simple.
Any restrictive DRM is like handcuffs - just because a company (Ubisoft) decides to loosen them up it doesn't mean that they shouldn't be on your hands at all.
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