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Posted April 29, 2020
Across the years, Dungeon Siege and Deus Ex series gathered a massive fanbase among the gamers worldwide. Today Dungeon Siege Collection, as well as Deus Ex: Human Revolution - Director’s Cut and Deus Ex: Mankind Divided arrive on GOG.COM in all DRM-free glory.

Dungeon Siege Collection (-85%) includes three parts of the cult fantasy RPG series, along with the DLC titled Treasures of the Sun. The Dungeon Siege series was born in 2002 from the Gas Powered Games studio members' passion for the RPG genre. The title captivated gamers around the world with its rich fantasy world, beautiful 3D graphics, and mechanics that were easy to grasp even for the beginners in the RPG domain. It was only a matter of time when the sequel was released in 2005 with the expanded world and a more complex storyline.

Over the years, Dungeon Siege became a cult classic. This led to a movie adaptation of the game featuring Jason Statham and, finally, to the third part of the series. This time it was created by Obsidian Entertainment (veterans of Baldur’s Gate) and published by Square Enix. Released in 2011, Dungeon Siege III introduced gamers to an innovative combat system that made the gameplay even more dynamic and engaging.

Deus Ex: Human Revolution (-85%) is also a good example of revamping a cult series. After Deus Ex (2000) and Deus Ex: Invisible War (2003) made a lot of fans thanks to the cyberpunk setting and RPG elements, the series went into a hiatus for nearly a decade.

Human Revolution lets us revisit the same dystopian universe of the future, albeit its story is set a few decades earlier. The world is divided between the supporters and opponents of human augmentations. The main protagonist, Adam Jensen, is a former SWAT member and the head of security at a tech company. He is being cast into the above-mentioned strife after suffering heavy wounds and being biotechnologically enhanced in order to save his life. During the game, the player can expand the main character’s augmentation further, making him even more lethal.

Deus Ex: Mankind Divided (-85%) further expanded on adventures of Adam Jensen, merging action elements with RPG decision making, that changed the face of the storyline. One of its highly praised elements was the so-called Breach - an alternative game mode set in the virtual world. On top of that Deus Ex series was even further expanded with the successful comics series.

Now you can revisit the fascinating universes of Dungeon Siege and Deus Ex once more, thanks to the Square Enix Publisher Sale on GOG.COM featuring deals up to 89% off until 4th May 2020, 1 PM UTC.
Posted May 05, 2020
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SarahGabriella: Ignore guys like that, overblown reaction. The games are DRM free and simply have a minor issue thats gonna be resolved. If anyone gets a refund, they shouldnt buy the damn game again because thats just needlessly complicated.
right now Deus Ex MD DLC is not drm-free.
it's not at all complicated to buy the game again when fixed.

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tremere110: I have a card that charges me an international fee that is not refunded to me even if a purchase is returned.
You need to change your card. Take a look to n26 or revolut or anything like that to avoid this problem.
Post edited May 05, 2020 by LiefLayer
Posted May 05, 2020
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StingingVelvet: I made a thread recently about concerns over emulating clients for DRM free installers possibly creating compatibility issues on future machines. So I know what you're saying.

Unfortunately PC gaming is so focused on clients nowadays, I'm not sure what can be done about it. I guess GOG could put considerable effort into rewriting aspects of the game, but I doubt that is feasible at the prices and profit margins of these titles. It's like the multiplayer thing, they could technically work with developers to make DRM free multiplayer, but there's little money in it to justify the time and expense.

I'm not sure there is an easy answer, but GOG offering DRM free offline installers is still the best option we've got.
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rjbuffchix: Good points. I know other posters have additionally pointed out the lack of "clean builds" these days which certainly makes things more complex though imo not impossible.

I ultimately think it is most important for GOG's brand to focus on providing big releases with DRM-free installers, along with whatever old games they can too (many of which I would also categorize as "big releases" by my personal standard). The DRM-free offline installers for all games are GOG's unique selling point but the big releases being DRM-free are what drew me here specifically; if it was exclusively small modern indie games without the "AA" and "AAA" scale games I wouldn't be here.

As for the potential solution to multiplayer DRM, well, most people don't like it: at the very minimum remove all games from the store that don't have at least one mode of DRM-free multiplayer (such as unrestricted LAN, splitscreen, hotseat, direct connect, play by email). Really, no multiplayer DRM should be acceptable and yes I realize the accepted games with it pre-date the Galaxy requirements. GWENT has to go, too. And though what I propose may not be popular, it would at least be consistent with the DRM-free brand.

The more we can keep focusing on offline installers and reminding GOG what the offline installers, as well as the store itself, mean to us, hopefully the more chance there is to give a little more TLC to them.
There is no such thing as unrestricted lan
At least not for the people looking to join
Its the hoster that sets the rules
Even in Age of Empires there are Lan groups that have rules you can read before Joining them
Some only deathmatch, others have other predefined rules
In some cases you even have to send an application before youre allowed to Join one.,

The only exception is if you makre a lan group and host it yourself
but the issue is still there for people that wish to Join your lan/group/server
Those that join have no idea if or when youre gonna pull the plug
resulting in countless hours of progression lost.

The only way of really calling it unrestricted lan or something simmilar
is if the game allow bots or the game lets Bots take over human players when the connection is Lost
or that the progression is somehow saved for both the guests and the Hoster
but then the whole point of unristricted lan gets Pointless in regards to DRM free Multiplayer.

The whole point in Drm free Games
is Freedom
to do almost anything you wish with your game/character/etc
within legal boundaries of course
If i Join a server hosted by others and make myself a Character i cant really claim i have this freedom
Post edited May 05, 2020 by Lodium
Posted May 05, 2020
There is a lot of posts on this page stating that this is one off issue, and we should give GOG the benefit of the doubt, I am all for this, however it is not a one off. Almost everything be it release posts not working, the missing updates flag, galaxy being put into all installers (which was fixed of course), this incident, other games (goblins inc for instance) being mostly online. Far too many “one off problems” I high have eroded most of the trust that GOG built up. It’s about time they got these things sorted out.
As I said in my previous post, this is the first time I have looked at GOG installers as inferior to others, and couple with that all the backlog of issues over even the last 6 months is quite worrying. Sure, there are things going on now and resource is tight, what about the last two years when there has been plenty of resources for galaxy and galaxy features, but none for the website or non galaxy features?
Posted May 05, 2020
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SarahGabriella: Ignore guys like that, overblown reaction. The games are DRM free and simply have a minor issue thats gonna be resolved. If anyone gets a refund, they shouldnt buy the damn game again because thats just needlessly complicated.
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LiefLayer: right now Deus Ex MD DLC is not drm-free.
it's not at all complicated to buy the game again when fixed.

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tremere110: I have a card that charges me an international fee that is not refunded to me even if a purchase is returned.
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LiefLayer: You need to change your card. Take a look to n26 or revolut or anything like that to avoid this problem.
Or keep the game because a fix is coming to save them the trouble of both responding to your ticket and giving you a refund if youre gonna buy it again. Thats like refunding a TV thats missing its remote, then buying the TV again. #Logic
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SarahGabriella: Ignore guys like that, overblown reaction. The games are DRM free and simply have a minor issue thats gonna be resolved. If anyone gets a refund, they shouldnt buy the damn game again because thats just needlessly complicated.
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Pygmalion_4678: I also think that GOG has earned our trust here. So far, the guys have fixed all such problems. And it's not a matter of course that such large titles appear here at all. The sales figures are certainly not overwhelming for discerning publishers. So GOG shouldn't get on their nerves too much. :)
GOG is being extremely generous with the new refund policy on even installed games. Thats a refund policy based on trust. What company these days puts trust into their customers?

So yea, keep the game, wait for the fix, and its all good. Also, the main game doesnt have DRM so there is that. And who already finished the main game since GOG release anyways, lol. By the time we are done with that we got the fix.^^
Post edited May 05, 2020 by SarahGabriella
Posted May 05, 2020
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Lodium: There is no such thing as unrestricted lan
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Pardon my "shorthand" term. What I'm referring to by saying "unrestricted LAN" is LAN without any additional qualifiers like: "each player has to have their own copy" "has to be within a certain range", etc. The "unrestricted LAN" I reference would be an example of DRM-free multiplayer.
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nightcraw1er.488: Sure, there are things going on now and resource is tight, what about the last two years when there has been plenty of resources for galaxy and galaxy features, but none for the website or non galaxy features?
HEAR, HEAR!
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SarahGabriella: Also, the main game doesnt have DRM so there is that. And who already finished the main game since GOG release anyways, lol. By the time we are done with that we got the fix.^^
In other words, your original claim that "the games are DRM-free" was false, at least for the time being until they fix it.
Post edited May 05, 2020 by rjbuffchix
Posted May 05, 2020
Truly an epic release however probably handled in the worst possible manner.

Even if this was just a simple mistake, the blunder is huge and massively damaging.

I have requested a refund. Support advises up to 2 weeks for a response.

I am happy to wait.
Posted May 05, 2020
We all know that GOG is evil and is pulling us to the DRM way.


I read on the internet, so it's true.
Posted May 05, 2020
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M3troid: We all know that GOG is evil and is pulling us to the DRM way.

I read on the internet, so it's true.
It is just possible that gog have made one of the worst blunders with a DRM free release for years, I do not discount that.

Paradoxically I can still remember when Skyrim was available on steam without steamworks for instance- that was also a massive blunder (fixed quite promptly)

Hence, internet or not I will give them a second chance. In the meantime they can process my refund :)
Posted May 06, 2020
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rjbuffchix: What I'm referring to by saying "unrestricted LAN" is LAN without any additional qualifiers like: "each player has to have their own copy" "has to be within a certain range", etc. The "unrestricted LAN" I reference would be an example of DRM-free multiplayer.
I would think it bad business sense to let everyone and their neighbor play on one game copy(lan play, that is).

Also are you saying it is DRM to make people buy their own copy to play a lan game?

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SarahGabriella: Or keep the game because a fix is coming to save them the trouble of both responding to your ticket and giving you a refund if youre gonna buy it again. Thats like refunding a TV thats missing its remote, then buying the TV again. #Logic
Makes sense......one could've also refunded it later on if GOG didn't provide said fix in a timely manner & made their point clear that way, while also not burdening the support system.

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SarahGabriella: GOG is being extremely generous with the new refund policy on even installed games. Thats a refund policy based on trust. What company these days puts trust into their customers?
Not many, sadly.
Post edited May 06, 2020 by GameRager
Posted May 06, 2020
Many of you are way to forgiving with GOG in this case.
This is no obscure bug that may only affect some people. This is no minor "error".
It's a DLC that doesn't work without Galaxy and doesn't work offline. Hence it violates GOGs one and only unique (and only remaining) selling point: DRM-freedom.

And how easy could it have been prevented: Just f*cking test the game offline and/or without Galaxy.
It's a quick task on one little pc. This can be done. GOG is not Steam. It doesn't release a gazillion games a day. It should be manageable. And it's not even a problem which arises in end game content or sth. which understandably could be missed easily. No, it's blatantly obvious right from the start.
Just test the games you sell for basic funcionality according to your promises. Simple as that.

Since this is not the first problem like that, GOG just lost a lot of credibility for me. And I'm still generous, because I expect the cause to be just laziness, not intention.

The worst thing is that you can't be sure anymore regarding new releases. You can't be sure that they are really working properly without Galaxy without relying on community testing. And thats a shame.
Post edited May 06, 2020 by russellskanne
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russellskanne: Since this is not the first problem like that, GOG just lost a lot of credibility for me. And I'm still generous, because I expect the cause to be just laziness, not intention.
What about the forced galaxy upgrade for galaxy users?

Wouldn't that be much worse than this? And that WAS intentional.

Imo this is minor(compared to things like that)....but to each their own.

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russellskanne: The worst thing is that you can't be sure anymore regarding new releases. You can't be sure that they are really working properly without Galaxy without relying on community testing. And thats a shame.
Well at least we still have a community to watch for such, and even without them watching the amount of issues seems to be relatively few(per time period).

(That said: I AGREE wholeheartedly that GOG should test games properly)
Post edited May 06, 2020 by GameRager
Posted May 06, 2020
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russellskanne: Since this is not the first problem like that, GOG just lost a lot of credibility for me. And I'm still generous, because I expect the cause to be just laziness, not intention.
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GameRager: What about the forced galaxy upgrade for galaxy users?

Wouldn't that be much worse than this? And that WAS intentional.

Imo this is minor(compared to things like that)....but to each their own.
I don't use Galaxy. It's a client, which, for me, equals DRM.
I base my opinon solely on the availibility and functionality of offline installers, that IS the unique selling point I'm talking about.
So all related issues regarding the USING of galaxy are negligible, as long as it is optional.
Post edited May 06, 2020 by russellskanne
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russellskanne: I don't use Galaxy. It's a client, which, for me, equals DRM.
I base my opinon solely on the availibility of offline installers, that IS the unique selling point I'm talking about.
So all related issues regarding the USING of galaxy are negligible, as long as it is optional.
Still, that was intentional vs this which was likely accidental, and also the forced upgrade likely impacted more people.

That said I am glad they fixed this....though if they could get around to getting the rights to the expansions(Dungeon Siege 1+2) i'd be even happier.
Posted May 06, 2020
What russellskanne said is 100% what I think of this problem.
I see many here that just say "trust gog, give them time"... this is not something we should be soft about. This is DRM on a single player game with galaxy "the optional client".

Many low rated my post, but gog used to be so much better without regional prices, no stupid client and a lots of goodies for each games. Now soundtracks cost more money for each games, there is an "optional" client and regional prices... also multiple drm multiplayer games and, right now, 1 drm single player game that should be fixed (but we don't know when).

I trusted gog but it's not my fault if they make multiple mistakes... the only good thing is drm-free, if they fail with that gog will die (at least for me) so I cannot be soft because I don't want to lose a drm-free platform.

You guys can downvote my post all you want, I don't really care, what I care about is gog as a drm-free platform. If you don't just use steam.
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LiefLayer: What russellskanne said is 100% what I think of this problem.
I see many here that just say "trust gog, give them time"... this is not something we should be soft about. This is DRM on a single player game with galaxy "the optional client".
I don't think any of us should be "soft" with this, but I don't think it's worth going too far in the other direction over this either.

With me it's less "trust GOG, give them time" and more "GOG will likely fix this(to not get bad PR), so we should give them time before doing something like refunding en masse".

(Also refunding en masses would overwhelm the already overwhelmed support system and make it harder for other tickets to get taken care of, or likely cause other issues)

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LiefLayer: Many low rated my post, but gog used to be so much better without regional prices, no stupid client and a lots of goodies for each games. Now soundtracks cost more money for each games, there is an "optional" client and regional prices.
I agree on regional prices being bad, am on the fence on the client(don't like or dislike it), and love getting goodies....albeit the free ones.

(I take it you meant you dislike the paid goodies, not the free ones?)

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LiefLayer: I trusted gog but it's not my fault if they make multiple mistakes... the only good thing is drm-free, if they fail with that gog will die (at least for me) so I cannot be soft because I don't want to lose a drm-free platform.
I think GOG has a few other good aspects, but I admire you standing up for and vocing your concerns.

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LiefLayer: You guys can downvote my post all you want, I don't really care, what I care about is gog as a drm-free platform. If you don't just use steam.
I love both, as they both have good aspects, but I get your "passion" for this so +1 from me.
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General discussionDungeon Siege and Deus Ex series now available on GOG.COM(809 posts)(809 posts)
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