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"Iwiński added: "It's a crazy thing. Gamers – legal customers – buy the game and you are limited with your ownership, while the illegal alternative has no limits. This is totally not fair and totally stupid.

"Why should I buy this legal version if it's inferior in a certain way? I'm not saying it's a problem for everybody, but for a lot of people it is. In games like The Witcher, you don't need to be connected to the internet to play. There are a lot of games like that.

"But with a lot of protections you have to be online. You have to be connected constantly or you cannot play. I know the internet is everywhere, but if you go on holiday and you have a laptop and you don't have an internet connection, it means you cannot play your games. I think it's not fair. "

I love their no bullshit PR talk even if it is telling us what we want to hear.
Now, release The Witcher 2 DRM-free. :)
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KavazovAngel: Now, release The Witcher 2 DRM-free. :)
You mean like they already have with this preorder offering?
Ah, GOG. You're awesome when you're like this.
I would go as far as saying that DRM is basically a crime.
Everybody is being insulted and pointed at "YOU are a thief", and you have to proof that you are not by being online or something.

Most of the time customers are also the victim of fraud by publishers selling games that dont work right. Maybe it freezes all the time, or its not a complete game because they are holding back stuff for dlc (opposed to actually making dlc). I mean its not every game and its most of the time only minor stuff, but no other industry would get away with open crimes like that.

"common its only the one wheel thats not working"
"windows ... well you know if you want windows for your car you can get the dlc"

you may say its only software or only games or something, but yeah you know how phones work? or i big bunch of other things on this planet? only software too! and dont tell me it is impossible to make games that are bugfree, i bet there are for example programs working in military computers, scientific simulations, or airplanes that are about as complicated, and gues what? they wont get away with bugs and saying "you know its complicated, you cant expect us to make fully working software about that stuff, yeah the plane crashed, look at games they crash all the time and people know that, its completely legal to sell stuff that doesnt work"
yeah and only games, who cares if games work, go buy one of those board games that have a unique mechanic or something, and there is a part missing ... yeah its only a game ...

what i say may sound exxagerated, but its still true
I'd say it's sort of a mass defamation of character rather like your local supermarket patting you down every time you leave the store instead of just having security watch for shop-lifters. Some copy protection I can understand as a lot of money and hard work is expended but the lengths they go through now are just offensive. To make it worse I swear it shortens the life of physical media and optical drives. I've got old dos games I played for months that still run fine but every blasted CD/DVD in the last few years hardly lasts more than a month.
Steam DRM is fine. Other forms of DRM, not so much. Either go Steam or go DRM-free.
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TheCheese33: Steam DRM is fine. Other forms of DRM, not so much. Either go Steam or go DRM-free.
Bleh I hate steam. its gotten to the point id rather pirate a steam game then buy it. I have never had a steam only game that I havent had problems with
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Silkie341: To make it worse I swear it shortens the life of physical media and optical drives. I've got old dos games I played for months that still run fine but every blasted CD/DVD in the last few years hardly lasts more than a month.
Or they press inferior quality discs so it fails and you buy the game again..

.. and the scary thing is? That joke might be *exactly what is going on* :(
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TheCheese33: Steam DRM is fine. Other forms of DRM, not so much. Either go Steam or go DRM-free.
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SirCabbage: Bleh I hate steam. its gotten to the point id rather pirate a steam game then buy it. I have never had a steam only game that I havent had problems with
That's just bad luck. Most people don't have problems, and when they do, the customer support is awesome.
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Silkie341: To make it worse I swear it shortens the life of physical media and optical drives. I've got old dos games I played for months that still run fine but every blasted CD/DVD in the last few years hardly lasts more than a month.
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xyem: Or they press inferior quality discs so it fails and you buy the game again..

.. and the scary thing is? That joke might be *exactly what is going on* :(
products being build so that you have to buy a new one once the guaranteed time is over is nothing new, industry works like that
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TheCheese33: Steam DRM is fine. Other forms of DRM, not so much. Either go Steam or go DRM-free.
This is the way I see it: I personally cannot stand any form of DRM whether it be steam, securom or games for windows live. That aside I would be stupid to think DRM is going away any time soon so I went with Steam as it is the least invasive, not really difficult to back the games up DRM-free, games are cheap so I spend less overall, and Valve at least tries to make the protection a benefit to users through the Steam Community (despite their talks of hating DRM -.-). Steam is the lesser of all the other evils basically.
Post edited November 26, 2010 by Whiteblade999
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TheCheese33: Steam DRM is fine. Other forms of DRM, not so much. Either go Steam or go DRM-free.
How is Steam DRM any different than any other activation DRM? It's all the same and all bullshit. Steam could easily have an offline install option that doesn't register the game to your account and only allows singleplayer content... they don't. Instead they force you to register, activate and use their client and online features. Seems like exactly the kind of "treating you like a criminal" behavior talked about in the OP.
My biggest complaint with Steam is this:

I normally think it's very fantastic, use it daily, ect. I do unfortunately have a very patchy internet connection and therefore can't always be online. The answer *should* be go into offline mode to play my games, yeah? Well unfortunately a lot of the times I tell it to go into offline mode, it hangs on an updating steam install box. Umm, the reason I'm asking you to go into offline mode is because my net has dropped and I want to still play my games! You can't update cause I am not online and thus I am unable to play the games I purchased? I can't say I enjoy that one bit.

Aside from that hangup I'm a fan of steam, just not it's community. :P
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Silkie341: I'd say it's sort of a mass defamation of character rather like your local supermarket patting you down every time you leave the store instead of just having security watch for shop-lifters.
Or like going through a backscatter image scanner and watching at your private bits when you're going through the airport, or fondling them if you don't want the scanner option. :-)