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First off let me say that I like Minecraft and I respect Notch for his abilities and accomplishments, that being said...

He also seems capable of kneejerk comments, as we all certainly are however we players don't have a rep to uphold or lots of people hanging on our words believing what we say regardless of it's verisimilitude.

I bring this up because of his past comments about a company called "Euclidian" and their technology of 'unlimited detail'. If you don't know what I'm talking about watch this.

http://www.euclideon.com/videos/euclideon-island-hd/ Pretty amazing, huh? definitely something worth supporting one would think.

However after this release Notch came out publicly and said some rather snarky things about both the tech and the company.. he called the tech a scam and the company were snake oil salesmen, among other things, he also made accusations that the tech was something else entirely and put up 3 vids in support of his comments.. for a full run down on his comments with rebuttal from the guy who made the tech and the claims, watch this

http://www.euclideon.com/videos/good-game-interview/ (it'll take you to the company site also).


Bruce Dell, Euclidian CEO and tech creator clearly spells out what the tech is and isn't and what's possible, he also clearly refutes that they are seeking financing, another of Notch's claims, and that they are actually turning away investors.

Now, we are all capable of shouting our mouth off, some more than others (:P) even Notch.. however surely the time comes for an equally public admission when one is wrong on an important or influential subject.

So.. should this tech be real, and there is nothing to indicate that it isn't, Do you think Notch is adult enough to come out and retract his, frankly damaging, statements?

It would be a great pity if he didn't have the balls to do this.

(Disclaimer.. I obviously have nothing to do with "Euclidian".)
I remember Notch's criticisms being along the lines of "we don't have hard drives big enough to store worlds at this level of detail yet". All of the demos I have seen have been made of the same small number of objects repeated so I don't think this is as amazing as the company is making out.
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My initial response is something along the lines of "God, who cares what Notch says or does?" That guy is a loudmouth, and from what I can tell he is not worth listening to.
lol the question should be is notch a man at all, regardless of his gender, its his opinion and one shoudnt dwell into someones statement or opinion, as its nothing more then a bow without arrow,
btw the tech looks cool
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SirPrimalform: I remember Notch's criticisms being along the lines of "we don't have hard drives big enough to store worlds at this level of detail yet". All of the demos I have seen have been made of the same small number of objects repeated so I don't think this is as amazing as the company is making out.
well you seem to have missed something then because that isn't even the half of what he said. Euclidian also admitted that they weren't artists and that the demo you saw was thrown together double quick in time for a convention.
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PhoenixWright: My initial response is something along the lines of "God, who cares what Notch says or does?" That guy is a loudmouth, and from what I can tell he is not worth listening to.
ABSOLUTELY AGREED.. however there are so many people willing to hang on his words that when he says something a lot of people are willing to blindly take his word and side on the matter.
Post edited March 04, 2013 by Tormentfan
TL:DR Notch is a prick and should keep his mouth shut?
As much as I don't give much of a crap about Notch, that company is selling snake oil, and the fact that they've been trying to peddle their shit for so long (despite what their CEO says) and not managed to get anything actually going just proves that.

My tech explanations about that are in the old thread about them.

They're going to be on the market in the next 5 years.
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SovietSharkey: TL:DR Notch is a prick and should keep his mouth shut?
I didn't quite say that, but it kind of looks thatway.
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AndrewC: As much as I don't give much of a crap about Notch, that company is selling snake oil, and the fact that they've been trying to peddle their shit for so long (despite what their CEO says) and not managed to get anything actually going just proves that.

My tech explanations about that are in the old thread about them.

They're going to be on the market in the next 5 years.
Can you back this up?

The second vid I point to shows old progress.. but also brings it up to date.. and it certainly doesn't seem to be disingenuous.
Post edited March 04, 2013 by Tormentfan
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Tormentfan: Euclidian also admitted that they weren't artists and that the demo you saw was thrown together double quick in time for a con.
Unfortunate choice of words there, but perhaps rather apt.

When you're trying to showcase a technology that, by your own description, is the future of gaming, the first point on the checklist is "Get an artist". I have a hard time believing that someone clever enough to design a technology like that is also stupid enough to make such an obvious mistake.
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Tormentfan: The second vid I point to shows old progress.. but also brings it up to date.. and it certainly doesn't seem to be disingenuous.
That video is from 2 years ago... which is when I first heard about this.
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Tormentfan: Euclidian also admitted that they weren't artists and that the demo you saw was thrown together double quick in time for a con.
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Wishbone: Unfortunate choice of words there, but perhaps rather apt.

When you're trying to showcase a technology that, by your own description, is the future of gaming, the first point on the checklist is "Get an artist". I have a hard time believing that someone clever enough to design a technology like that is also stupid enough to make such an obvious mistake.
LOL.. I changed it to convention... major boob. :/ heh.

Well there have been plently of rough looking tech demos because disciplines were available, that's not new, and it's a pretty small point to knock them on.

In the second vid I pointed out it also shows the real time demo and navigation through the tech island.. it DOES work.. whatever 'it' may be.

I don't see anything here that can be considered a con.. or a lie.
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Tormentfan: The second vid I point to shows old progress.. but also brings it up to date.. and it certainly doesn't seem to be disingenuous.
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SirPrimalform: That video is from 2 years ago... which is when I first heard about this.
Yes, it is from 2011, I'm not sure how that changes the situation though, especially given tha they stated they want to showcase a complete product rather than bits and piece at a time.. Valve and Bethesda do the exact same thing, so I don't think that has any bearing on it's truthfulness, or lack thereof.
Post edited March 04, 2013 by Tormentfan
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Tormentfan: Can you back this up?

The second vid I point to shows old progress.. but also brings it up to date.. and it certainly doesn't seem to be disingenuous.
You should look in the older thread about this particular company and its technology, where it was pretty much agreed that their thing was just about and updated version of voxels, which we've known about for a long time, and which have quite clear limitations that definitely prevent them from being the tech of the future.

In other words, I have no use in particular for Notch's opinion since I don't even like Minecraft, but in this case he's right, and Euclidian are most likely snake oil salesmen. So far, there really hasn't been anything to prove those of us who think so wrong.
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SirPrimalform: That video is from 2 years ago... which is when I first heard about this.
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Tormentfan: Yes, it is from 2011, I'm not sure how that changes the situation though, especially given tha they stated they want to showcase a complete product rather than bits and piece at a time.. Valve and Bethesda do the exact same thing, so I don't think that has any bearing on it's truthfulness, or lack thereof.
It's just that you said it "brings it up to date". It may have brought it up to date in 2011, but it's out of date now. Where's the news? Why bring this up now if there are no updates from Euclidian?
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Tormentfan: Can you back this up?

The second vid I point to shows old progress.. but also brings it up to date.. and it certainly doesn't seem to be disingenuous.
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mystral: You should look in the older thread about this particular company and its technology, where it was pretty much agreed that their thing was just about and updated version of voxels, which we've known about for a long time, and which have quite clear limitations that definitely prevent them from being the tech of the future.

In other words, I have no use in particular for Notch's opinion since I don't even like Minecraft, but in this case he's right, and Euclidian are most likely snake oil salesmen. So far, there really hasn't been anything to prove those of us who think so wrong.
You should watch the second vid.. the guy CLEARLY states that it isn't voxels as most people think and that the term Voxel has different meanings depending on who you talk to.

IF it is voxels.. then it's a very, VERY advanced form of them that no one else has done, watch the vid... your statement is pretty much invalidated.

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Tormentfan: Yes, it is from 2011, I'm not sure how that changes the situation though, especially given tha they stated they want to showcase a complete product rather than bits and piece at a time.. Valve and Bethesda do the exact same thing, so I don't think that has any bearing on it's truthfulness, or lack thereof.
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SirPrimalform: It's just that you said it "brings it up to date". It may have brought it up to date in 2011, but it's out of date now. Where's the news? Why bring this up now if there are no updates from Euclidian?
Why not bring it up? They're still working on it.

It's a relevant is anything else is in the industry of development.

I have to admit to being rather perplex about the negativity surrounding this... maybe people are just misunderstanding the situation?
Post edited March 04, 2013 by Tormentfan
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Tormentfan: It's a relevant is anything else is in the industry of development.
In this industry - 2 years old is old. There has not really been any progress since then. If they manage something more then sales pitches and pretty words, then I will take note. Before then, this is old news and have discussed in length before.