The difference is that i do not jump into interpretation of facts when there are not enough facts to base any interpretation on.
You assumed i attacked your interpretation because i had a better one, but it is not so. i attacked your interpretation because it is based on thin arguments, just like the rest of the threads on this forum.
You (and others) assumed im against you because im in the opposite camp, but thats not the case, im in no camp at all, and im against you as much as im against the "opposite side".
The only problem is that i dont see the opposite side manifesting here on the forums, i only see you guys.
The one Chinese person who posted here was very rational and his complaints were valid, the way he was treated is a shame for the western community.
Oh thats absolutely true, a troll is anyone that posts things you dont like, so im definitely a troll by this definition.
In your case i dont need to insult you, because i couldnt possibly insult you more than you are insulting yourself with your posts.

No, a troll is someone who(among other things) pokes fun at users/people instead of mainly sticking to the topic at hand.

Case in point. Now please, try to stick to the topic at hand & not insult other people voicing their opinions, if that's not asking too much.

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Ontopic: I agree that GOG should've kept out of Chinese social media when announcing this game.....or, at the very least, maybe just blocked sale of the game to the Chinese market due to the "outrage" about the game on said social media.

Now that those ships have sailed, I wish they'd bring the game here after the (ccp) eyes fall off of them...it might not restore all the lost trust and faith in them by some sections of the user base, but it'd be a start.
(and it'd likely make them some money as well, which they likely need due to the problems with and refunds for 2077)

Should i follow your example of..erm...sticking to the topic?....i would assume ccp is the topic, so purely political, so purely against GOG rules.

Only 6 min after you post does your post turn low rated... and from what it seems like, every post you make becomes low rated.

Check my reply to you in the other thread(Star Trek Elite Force thread) for the explanation to this.

For the record, it's "ass" in the sense of 'donkey,' and it seems the game developer DICE (since acquired by EA) was being called "Swedish Stupid Ass" earlier, in relation to the number of bugs in their game Battlefield 4 back in 2013.

As for the account, it could be anybody behind it, so I'm not really sure what to make of it. They obviously must have some connection to Poland though, otherwise where would the nickname come from. I just thought it's mildly amusing because if the boycott really took on, it's not inconceivable that anybody with a username pointing to that country would be suspect. So I probably wouldn't be cheering on that particular boycott if I were that person.

There must have been more, I just only have this one screenshot. The question is of course how many of them were even gamers, how many would have purchased Cyberpunk 2077, as opposed to pirating it, and how many would have changed their decision to purchase the game had Devotion been released. In short, was the threat credible, or did the "Polish Stupid Ass" just get cold feet? Either way, it just wasn't a very smart move to promote Devotion's release in China like this.

Oh, but you do. In fact you just did. Earlier today you diagnosed me as "severely lacking in the brain department." But you don't know me, we've never met. This was the first and only thing you wrote in your response to my post: an interpretation you jumped to. You didn't really have enough facts to arrive at that interpretation, yet you did anyway.

Don't worry, we're all like that. In any real-life scenario we always have to deal with incomplete information. That's why we have deduction, induction, and other less rigorous problem-solving techniques, such as heuristics. Otherwise you could never leave home because you couldn't decide whether to take an umbrella with you as you didn't have enough facts to ascertain whether it's going to rain.

It's true if you completely don't care about an issue (like you claim is the case with you here) you could just sit it out and wait but that's a luxury we're rarely afforded in practice. And one could always claim to be waiting for more facts: after all, part of what we don't know is often not knowing how much we still don't know. This way anything could drag on forever, as long as we allowed it.

However, in this situation, while it would have been good to have even more information, I believe we have just enough of it to say what happened with near certainty. Further, my argument as to how this matter should be resolved is not derived from any facts pertaining to these particular events but based on general principles. So, while I might be willing to consider any more specific criticism, with regard to such elusive remarks I accept that at this point we might have to agree to disagree.

I didn't really feel the facts I presented were under attack. What I did think though was that you should have had a better version of events ready to present before criticizing mine, so I must say I am a bit disappointed.

Could it perhaps be a manifestation that nobody on the "opposite side," as you put it, feels that strongly about this issue after all?

For the record (as I said before), I only represent myself and do not co-ordinate my responses with anyone, so I'm not sure why you keep referring to me in the plural. I'm not aware of anybody else here presenting an argument that would be similar enough to mine to justify being lumped up together with them.

First of all, there are individual people posting here, everybody is responsible for themselves, so again I'm not sure how does "the Western community" come into it at all.

As a matter of fact, there were at least 4 different Chinese people posting here about this issue that I interacted with, and I believe I treated each of them well. While they faced criticism from many concurrent posters, I don't think it was anything out of the ordinary. That they eventually chose not to engage in further conversation is regrettable but perhaps, again, just a sign that they didn't feel that strongly about defending the issue in the first place. Alternatively, they could have found the counter-arguments they were presented with too difficult to refute: we don't really know unless we asked them, which we cannot do anymore. Speaking for myself, I believe I've demonstrated my willingness to discuss this matter with anyone, without any preconceptions, and in a polite manner, and thus have nothing to be ashamed about with regard to this situation.

Either way, I have a feeling that a good number of them might not have bought the game regardless.
(just like the same types who complain on our social media, and then a game or piece of media gets changed & they don't buy it anyways)

This is becoming less about Red Candle or Devotion and more about twitter he said she said stuff

i hope you all buy detention then, i actually had it long before this started (got it through a bundle featuring several asian games)

and i really, really hope you all are doing this as part of a major interest in politics, because so far it really sounds like you only cared when they touched your videogames, which is very childish, to put it in a way that's not insulting

Is it sold anywhere DRM free, by any chance? If so, I might get it someday.

Many people only care about issues they hold dear and/or that affect them somehow, and care less(if at all) about other things).....it's human nature.

I care about the entire issue(censorship by countries, etc..in gaming and elsewhere) at hand, no matter who does it(won't get into such here, though, as staff probably wouldn't like such topics being discussed too much).

i mean, if you care, you should get it, regardless of it having drm or not... Otherwise complaining just for complaining is something of a pointless endeavor... i mean, what happens if the game is actually bad? it happened to hatred. there was a dozen of guys who got butthurt because people pointed out the links between the devs and certain far right wing groups. many people defended hatred out of "principle", only to find out the game was actually vey boring, because it's a postal clone, and postal is actually pretty effing boring. the game got forgotten a few weeks after release. Playing Detention might at least give you a perspective of what Red Candle do with their games.

at the end of the day, red candle knew exactly what they were doing with their game, and how they presented it.

also i'm sort of amused at how shocked you guys seem at the fact that there's a twitter account writing relatively racist stuff against the polish in chinese. that's lightweight as fucc for chinese social media interactions. you guys should see how they get when they are *really* angry.

Of course, being ON GOG you are only going to see people complaining about politics in video games specifically... Because, y'know... GOG is a VIDEO GAME distributor and all that?

Detention is available DRM-free on Playism: https://playism.com/product/detention

(Edit: misread another post I responded to)

it's a store. where you buy things. a lot of the people posting in these threads are in a "sir this is wendys" type of situation, which is ironically very true

it's not that i don't care, it's just that the extremely selective way they chose to be socially conscious is sad to me. it's like all those people who start trying to explain politics with harry potter characters