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kaboro: Hope Santa gives you the gift of brains, you are severely lacking in that department.
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Turbo-Beaver: What is it that you disagree with specifically?
You create yet another thread on this subject, you show how much time and energy you spent to dig useless information that doesnt prove anything and doesnt lead anywhere.
You try hard to pretend you are unbiased and objective, but statements like "China is just being China" in the context, prove the contrary.
Despite your research in the matter, you still offer theories and conjectures about what exactly happened and WHY it happened.
In the end your thread brings nothing new, ends on the same "its China who forced this decision" tone. Its just another "release Devotion on GOG" thread.

The reality is we dont know why the game was pulled, your whole theory is based on thin air and i can come up with my own theories based on thin air: what if all this is just a publicity stunt? They stirred sh*t on Steam, then they pulled the game themselves, now they did the same thing on GOG. Its very likely they sold more copies of their obscure game like this, than if they had proper releases.
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kaboro: The reality is we dont know why the game was pulled, your whole theory is based on thin air and i can come up with my own theories based on thin air: what if all this is just a publicity stunt? They stirred sh*t on Steam, then they pulled the game themselves, now they did the same thing on GOG. Its very likely they sold more copies of their obscure game like this, than if they had proper releases.
You mean, the devotion devs got GOG to pretend that GOG themselves backtracked the release, but in reality it was all masterminded by devs themselves? Whoa, minds blown...

Obvious troll is obvious.
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elgonzo: Whoa, minds blown...
moment of sincerity
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: Thanks for posting those screenshots, Turbo-Beaver.

What does the text in them say, though?
Transcription and translation as promised

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GOG (via a screenshot posted by Kwiat): GOG.COM 保证不会做出伤害大家感情的事情,请大家放心。
"GOG.COM guarantees not to do anything to hurt everybody's feelings, please rest assured."

Kwiat: 哈哈哈哈哈,感觉可以吃瓜了,GOG 直接删除了这个微博。
"Hahahahaha, feels like one can just sit and watch, GOG directly deleted that post."

FaN7a-SY: 抵制 2077 // @Mela70nia: 抵制! // @惡·犬: 太好了 快进到 GOG 平台游戏全面封禁 // @杨勃碍: CDPR 终究还是辱了 [in response to a post deleted by author, presumably the original GOG post]
"Boycott [Cyberpunk] 2077"

Responding to Mela70nia: "Boycott!"

Responding to 惡·犬 ("Fierce Dog"): "Excellent, fast-forward to [the moment when] [all] games [from] the GOG platform are completely banned"

Responding to 杨勃碍, a person who perhaps expressed some doubts: "[But] CDPR [CD Projekt Red] did insult [China] after all"

皓徵_GNOSIS: gog 危 [in response to a post deleted by author, presumably the same]
"GOG's done for"

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GOG: 在今天早些时,关于《Devotion》会上架 GOG 平台的消息我们收到了很多大家的评论。这里我们希望让大家知道这款游戏将不会在 GOG 平台上架。
"We received a lot of comments from you regarding the news earlier today about 'Devotion' becoming available on GOG. Hereby we would like to let all of you know that this game will not be published on the GOG platform."
Post edited December 25, 2020 by Turbo-Beaver
I was mostly right ^_^
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SLOFila: Kwiat laughs at GOG for how quickly they backpedaled.
This part is actually somewhat interesting. "Kwiat" is obviously not a very Chinese nickname. As a matter of fact, it happens to be a word in Polish, meaning 'flower.' So there's some account with a Polish-sounding nickname cheering on as calls intensify for the boycott of the "Polish Stupid Ass" (what CD Projekt is commonly referred to as in China). You couldn't make that up.

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SLOFila: I was mostly right ^_^
You were.

I can't really browse Weibo (seems to interfere with my browser settings) but from the screenshots we can see the 3 social-media accounts in China that are now in charge of curating the GOG platform: https://weibo.com/u/2007065461 FaN7a-SY, https://weibo.com/u/2041441477 Mela70nia, and https://weibo.com/u/7523766913 惡·犬 ("Fierce Dog"). At least the first two of these also seem to be mutual followers.
Post edited December 25, 2020 by Turbo-Beaver
lions den? what is that arent lions just sleep in the open?
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Orkhepaj: lions den? what is that arent lions just sleep in the open?
It's an expression, I guess it comes from the Biblical tale.

Maybe I could've come up with someting better. How about: "poking the panda with a tweet."
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ReynardFox: Only GOG could be so stupid, so tonedeaf and self-destructive that they could jam a stick into a hornet nest and then be surprised by the result.

Whoever runs their PR deserves to be fired. Preferably into the sun.
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sanscript: I think it's only fair to give them some slack here since they are a girls-only club afterall.

I mean, they fired most of their male workers some time ago, so, it's only natural that their combined intelligence have been lowered to such a disastrous point.
If this is true, That would explain a lot about GOG's bias curation system, let alone the shit CDPR pulled at the start of the year with their virtue signaling.
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Turbo-Beaver: What is it that you disagree with specifically?
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kaboro: You create yet another thread on this subject
There was a nearly universal surprise with GOG's decision, how it was communicated, and the subsequent silence about it. The official GOG message board seems like the obvious place to discuss it, also giving the company a chance to respond and address the community. Numerous people presented their take on various aspects of the whole situation. Considering the number of posts, having the discussion separated into more than a single thread seems reasonable to me.

Practically all the other threads here now are either promotional in nature or completely off-topic, with most of the remaining ones being one-off questions or complaints about technical issues or the refunds process. I don't see any harm being done by having a couple of threads to discuss different aspects of what many see as GOG's most severe reputational crisis since its inception. However, you're certainly free to make your case to the forum moderators that this, as well as presumably all the other Devotion-related threads, be removed.

That being said, I've only ever created one thread (this one), and it was to share not just my opinion but also some of the information I was able to find out, which hadn't been posted up to that point. As a matter of fact, I also believe you yourself had created at least one thread related to the Devotion controversy as well, and that was just to state your opinion, without uncovering any new facts.

It would seem then that each of us created an equal number of threads on this subject, only I also did it with the goal to provide some new information.

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kaboro: you show how much time and energy you spent to dig useless information that doesnt prove anything and doesnt lead anywhere.
I appreciate your concern for my well-being. You are certainly entitled to your judgment regarding the usability of the information in this thread. However you may recognize that your subjective opinion on this matter is not necessarily a universal one. On a general note, most people would likely agree that knowing more is uniformly a better position to find oneself in than knowing less. Thus, extra information, as long as it is truthful, could hardly be considered strictly useless.

Relating to this situation, there have been consistent calls for GOG to explain who the "many gamers" that demanded the game be delisted were. This thread is, in particular, an attempt to shed some light on this question in lieu of an official explanation never provided by GOG.

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kaboro: You try hard to pretend you are unbiased and objective
As a matter of fact, I've never claimed to be unbiased and objective. I am simply stating my own subjective opinion on the matter, just as anybody else on a discussion forum would. My bias is clear as a person with a long-term positive sentiment towards CD Projekt/GOG who would like to be able to remain their customer.

Being both unbiased and objective is a very hard benchmark to attain. Out of sheer curiosity, do you consider yourself less biased and more objective on this issue than I am?

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kaboro: In the end your thread [...] ends on the same "its China who forced this decision" tone.
That is the polar opposite of what I've been saying. It was GOG, I believe, that forced this issue on their Chinese social-media followers. It's all laid out in the initial post. What you put in quotation marks is not an actual quote from anything I would have written (even more so considering the grammar).

If you look at what I wrote here and in the other threads, you will have seen that I have consistently interpreted the events in a manner most accommodating to the Chinese side, whenever there is any room for interpretation. For example, a lot of the discussion has focused on whether there is any objectionable content in the game or not, i.e. whether the Chinese have a reason to complain at all. Yet in this very thread I specifically wrote that:

Chinese customers are important. Their sensitivities should be respected.
That is, regardless of the actual content of the game. What's more, I also said how GOG's decision to promote the game in China was (perhaps inadvertently) politically-charged. If you are implicitly accusing me of anti-China bias then by all means go on but I think you'd be hard-pressed to find anybody else who's gone to such lengths not to reach for the low-hanging fruit of jumping to easy conclusions on this matter.

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kaboro: The reality is we dont know why the game was pulled, your whole theory is based on thin air and i can come up with my own theories based on thin air: what if all this is just a publicity stunt? They stirred sh*t on Steam, then they pulled the game themselves, now they did the same thing on GOG.
Have you seen the attached screenshots? I've also posted a transcript and translation since. I think at this point what happened should be pretty evident, unless you choose to ignore the obvious facts, that is.
Post edited December 25, 2020 by Turbo-Beaver
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dgnfly: If this is true, That would explain a lot about GOG's bias curation system, let alone the shit CDPR pulled at the start of the year with their virtue signaling.
That was mostly yet another sarcastic joke from me, but yes, GOG (not CDPR) did fire several, including a few males that were more or less active and popular here (no need to go into specifics). In reality, I have no idea how many in total or how many males vs females there were, but it got more and more silent over the course of a few years. Those three mods here now are all females (but again, not anything against them personally, just how GOG as a whole have chosen to be/act/behave and handle their customers/fans).
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dgnfly: If this is true, That would explain a lot about GOG's bias curation system, let alone the shit CDPR pulled at the start of the year with their virtue signaling.
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sanscript: That was mostly yet another sarcastic joke from me, but yes, GOG (not CDPR) did fire several, including a few males that were more or less active and popular here (no need to go into specifics). In reality, I have no idea how many in total or how many males vs females there were, but it got more and more silent over the course of a few years. Those three mods here now are all females (but again, not anything against them personally, just how GOG as a whole have chosen to be/act/behave and handle their customers/fans).
Kinda had a feeling you were being sarcastic but then again in the EU or EU countries in general there are subsidies tied to this diversity bullshit. Last time I recall one of our ministers called out the fact that if you don't have enough blacks or women in certain sectors your subsidies will be taken from you or will be withheld. Maybe CDPR doing the same with their first part of year announcement virtue signaling the gender and color of their staff. Not that it should matter in the first place. Anybody who says that only diversity of the mind should matter gets labeled racist.

And for a long time, it seems this place has been lacking in delivering any actual games cause variety is barely to be found. Every release feels nothing more than another copy-pasted game after another. Not to mention the retarded nature of how they handled the China affair shows they have little insight and just pander to any person that cries being offended.
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Turbo-Beaver: Practically all the other threads here now are either promotional in nature or completely off-topic,
Really now? Not very modest are we?
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Turbo-Beaver: with most of the remaining ones being one-off questions or complaints about technical issues or the refunds process. I don't see any harm being done by having a couple of threads to discuss different aspects of what many see as GOG's most severe reputational crisis since its inception.
so i guess you now claim to be speaking in the name of the "many", who claim that this is somehow a reputation crisis of GOG...so many claims, so little reason.
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Turbo-Beaver: However, you're certainly free to make your case to the forum moderators that this, as well as presumably all the other Devotion-related threads, be removed.
However much i think you guys are disturbed idiots, i respect your right to be so, so i will fight GOG if they ever decide to remove your idiotic posts.
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Turbo-Beaver: That being said, I've only ever created one thread (this one), and it was to share not just my opinion but also some of the information I was able to find out, which hadn't been posted up to that point. As a matter of fact, I also believe you yourself had created at least one thread related to the Devotion controversy as well, and that was just to state your opinion, without uncovering any new facts.
Correct, point taken.
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Turbo-Beaver: It would seem then that each of us created an equal number of threads on this subject, only I also did it with the goal to provide some new information.
Another point taken but....can you say with a straight face that the goal of your post was to provide new information?
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Turbo-Beaver: Relating to this situation, there have been consistent calls for GOG to explain who the "many gamers" that demanded the game be delisted were. This thread is, in particular, an attempt to shed some light on this question in lieu of an official explanation never provided by GOG.
Yeah, the only problem is that you fail to shed any light on this question. Just an opinion.
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Turbo-Beaver: Being both unbiased and objective is a very hard benchmark to attain. Out of sheer curiosity, do you consider yourself less biased and more objective on this issue than I am?
Yes and no, yes for the simple reason im less emotionally invested in this issue. Dont give a toss about the game, the Chinese gamers sensibilities, the GOG decision and all...and no because i am emotionally invested against the excessive drama generated by this subject and its inherent anti-China tone.
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Turbo-Beaver: Have you seen the attached screenshots? I've also posted a transcript and translation since. I think at this point what happened should be pretty evident, unless you choose to ignore the obvious facts, that is.
There are the facts and there are our interpretations of facts.
The facts are few in this case, and your interpretations are many, and not based on anything solid.
Personally im not ignoring the few facts, what i am rejecting is your interpretations of said facts.
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Turbo-Beaver: Practically all the other threads here now are either promotional in nature or completely off-topic, with most of the remaining ones being one-off questions or complaints about technical issues or the refunds process. I don't see any harm being done by having a couple of threads to discuss different aspects of what many see as GOG's most severe reputational crisis since its inception. However, you're certainly free to make your case to the forum moderators that this, as well as presumably all the other Devotion-related threads, be removed.
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kaboro: Really now? Not very modest are we?
Who said it's wrong to be off-topic here? I didn't. It's not. So I wasn't passing a judgment of any kind, if that's what you're implying. This is a forum for GOG users, not just about GOG. People discuss whatever they want. GOG also posts new topics to keep people updated about new releases and seasonal discounts: these are the promotional topics. The two categories combined make up a lot of this forum, and there's nothing wrong with it. Nobody ever said there was.

As a reminder, I wrote this in response to your claim that there were too many topics about the Devotion controversy. There can never be too many GOG-related topics on the official GOG forum. At end of the day that's what this forum is for.

In any case, there were more topics briefly, but it's down to only a couple active topics now, of which one was created as the release announcement by GOG themselves.

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kaboro: so i guess you now claim to be speaking in the name of the "many"
No, I don't. In fact I have specifically said that:
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Turbo-Beaver: I am simply stating my own subjective opinion on the matter
You implied I created many topics. Not true. I did not. I only created a single topic. However, many other people created many topics. You complained about many topics. I don't see any problem with many topics about an important issue related to GOG on the official GOG forum. The people who created these topics believe this is an important issue, a reputational problem for GOG. I happen to agree but this is not only my isolated opinion. I speak in my own name, and all the other people who posted about it, and created all the topics you complained about, speak in their own respective names. Does this all really have to be clarified?

If you yourself saw many topics about this appearing, all but a single one not created by me, you can't possibly be saying nobody else thought it was an important issue. It's either one or the other.

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kaboro: However much i think you guys are disturbed idiots
You claim I was speaking in the name of many: I wasn't. Yet now you seem to be talking to many?

Who else are you referring to? There's only me here.

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Turbo-Beaver: It would seem then that each of us created an equal number of threads on this subject, only I also did it with the goal to provide some new information.
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kaboro: Another point taken but....can you say with a straight face that the goal of your post was to provide new information?
I already said I also did it with the goal of providing new information (highlighted in the original quote).

For the record, the other goals included stating how I consider this information relevant, and presenting my point of view on the matter.

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Turbo-Beaver: Being both unbiased and objective is a very hard benchmark to attain. Out of sheer curiosity, do you consider yourself less biased and more objective on this issue than I am?
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kaboro: Yes and no, yes for the simple reason im less emotionally invested in this issue. Dont give a toss about the game, the Chinese gamers sensibilities, the GOG decision and all...and no because i am emotionally invested against the excessive drama generated by this subject and its inherent anti-China tone.
Just my biased and subjective opinion here but you don't strike me as a person who's not emotionally-invested in this issue at all.

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Turbo-Beaver: Have you seen the attached screenshots? I've also posted a transcript and translation since. I think at this point what happened should be pretty evident, unless you choose to ignore the obvious facts, that is.
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kaboro: There are the facts and there are our interpretations of facts.
The facts are few in this case, and your interpretations are many, and not based on anything solid.
Personally im not ignoring the few facts, what i am rejecting is your interpretations of said facts.
Fair point. There could be more facts. How do we get them? Certainly not from GOG, as they've gone silent. Any ideas where and how to obtain more facts?

Separately, given the facts we know now, what is your interpretation of them, and how is it different than what I presented?
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Turbo-Beaver: So there's some account with a Polish-sounding nickname cheering on as calls intensify for the boycott of the "Polish Stupid Ass" (what CD Projekt is commonly referred to as in China). You couldn't make that up.
Chinese being racist to GOG because they're Polish?.....figures.
(that seems to be a big problem over there in general...somewhat shown in things like how foreign games and other media must be changed to be sold in some such countries)

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Turbo-Beaver: I can't really browse Weibo (seems to interfere with my browser settings) but from the screenshots we can see the 3 social-media accounts in China that are now in charge of curating the GOG platform: At least the first two of these also seem to be mutual followers.
So it's a small "clique" of users causing all the uproar which led(more or less) to the GOG decision? Just like with other kneejerk responses by gaming companies and other companies(after such uproar on other social media).

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Sidenote: Ka-bo-ro is very likely a troll...and possibly trying to derail the thread, pick apart the topic(for whatever reason), and/or insult people. My advice is to not bother replying to them(at least in this topic).
(though of course, everyone can and should do as they please)
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