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lazydog: +1

My request for a refund was processed within days based on the OPs revelations that Gog was factually selling a game with DRM, admitted it was knowingly selling a DRM'ed game after the fact and the OP has still not been given a refund.

This is really shitty Gog.

Sort it out.

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SirPrimalform: My suspicion is that I pissed off the support person by making this thread and so they ignored my reply... I've sent another reply now. I'm not worried about being bumped to the back of the queue as it seemed like I wasn't even in the queue any more.
I wish you the best of luck.

The truth is this entire matter should have had a another blue response by now, especially to you.

If you don't get an answer within a week, for what its worth, I will do my best (which sadly is unlikely to be a great deal) to ensure that it is known that Gog is selling DRM'ed games.
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lazydog: I wish you the best of luck.

The truth is this entire matter should have had a another blue response by now, especially to you.

If you don't get an answer within a week, for what its worth, I will do my best (which sadly is unlikely to be a great deal) to ensure that it is known that Gog is selling DRM'ed games.
I suppose they still are considering the Linux version hasn't been fixed yet...
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lazydog: You should definitely check your facts.
Nice, check and mate :D
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lazydog: You should definitely check your facts.
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jamotide: Nice, check and mate :D
:) just imagine what Total Biscuit will have to say!
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mqstout: Stop saying "obviously" because it's not. It's simply not true. No amount of repeating the falsehood will make it true. I won't restate the facts again here. There are some above, and there are plenty of other threads and sources. Copy protection is LIKE DRM. It's also irritating. But it's NOT DRM.
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lazydog: You should definitely check your facts.
I'm not trusting GOG as an authority on what constitutes DRM. Otherwise we would not be here, on this thread.

BTW, do you consider keys for on-line access as a form of DRM?
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Gede: I'm not trusting GOG as an authority on what constitutes DRM. Otherwise we would not be here, on this thread.

BTW, do you consider keys for on-line access as a form of DRM?
If it's to login to Multiplayer section only, then it's not. A unique identifier is necessary to differentiate between legit and pirated users. There's no need to give burden to servers for pirates.

If the said key also limits to SP section, it is DRM.
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zeroxxx: A unique identifier is necessary to differentiate between legit and pirated users.
The same argument is used to justify online checks on single player games.
As long as you check ownership of a game copy, you’re enforcing some kind of control.

I understand server-side checks, as any server owner as a right to decide who can or can not access their server. But a check *before* reaching the server, just by clicking on the "multiplayer" button in your game interface, is DRM in my book.
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vv221: The same argument is used to justify online checks on single player games.
As long as you check ownership of a game copy, you’re enforcing some kind of control.

I understand server-side checks, as any server owner as a right to decide who can or can not access their server. But a check *before* reaching the server, just by clicking on the "multiplayer" button in your game interface, is DRM in my book.
Then GOG login is also a DRM. :)

In fact, you're supporting DRM by using GOG services. They limit pirates' ability with simple login system, don't they? :)
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zeroxxx: Then GOG login is also a DRM. :)

In fact, you're supporting DRM by using GOG services. They limit pirates' ability with simple login system, don't they? :)
There’s a difference to be made between a check at download time, and a post-installation check.
The former is part of the buying experience, while the later is messing with the gaming experience.

One compares to checking that you bought your game box before you leave the store with it, the other one compares to sending spies to your home to control what you play and when.
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zeroxxx: Then GOG login is also a DRM. :)
If you throw this same argument that there's a login requirement to access a bank's full database and not having total public access that can be modified by users as DRM, it just isn't going to hold any water.

You don't own the web site or GoG; How can something you don't own that restricts you from having total control over it be DRM? In that case, it's not, because you aren't authorized to do whatever you want. Restrictions for non-owners is not DRM, then again GoG's login doesn't prevent you from playing any of your games... On the other hand the login doesn't let anyone else stomp on your credit and write crappy posts to advertise Viagra either...
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zeroxxx: If it's to login to Multiplayer section only, then it's not. A unique identifier is necessary to differentiate between legit and pirated users. There's no need to give burden to servers for pirates.
lol that is the definition of DRM
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Really disappointed with GOG here (and also other things like some games not working properly).
Unfortunately they do not have proper (DRM free) competition.
What I would expect from a DRM free service is:
1. No selling of DRMed games (like this one). No leeways. Customers should not have to check the small print. DRM free versions should not include nags & ads based on the assumption of potential "piracy" (like in Giana Sisters exit screen).
2. Making clear deals (guaranteed DRM free) with developers (so they cant just do random BS).
3. Making sure the games provided by developers are DRM free.
4. Proper public statement and apology in case of screwups.
5. Polite and functional customer service.

GOG fails on all five accounts with DEFCON.

Personally I would not mind paying more for games if the quality of the service would be improved.
Currently GOG appears to be on the road to evil - like many other companies when they grow bigger.
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Zrevnur: Currently GOG appears to be on the road to evil - like many other companies when they grow bigger.
It does seem to be going down the slope, doesn't it? From what I have read, it seems to be going down that path for some time now. Too bad I only signed in recently. I guess it must have been great in its zenith.
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Zrevnur: Currently GOG appears to be on the road to evil - like many other companies when they grow bigger.
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Gede: It does seem to be going down the slope, doesn't it? From what I have read, it seems to be going down that path for some time now. Too bad I only signed in recently. I guess it must have been great in its zenith.
There is always a way back. They just need their customers to keep them on the right path, to be there and push them back (with cattle-prods if need be).
The thing for me is GOG can not leave DRM-free, since finding this site I have been able to play games without needing to concern myself with my internets poor connection state.

As for games not running correctly, well there they also need to be pulled up regularly. They may not have the source code to the games, but they owe it to their customers to make sure that the gaming experience is decent.
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011284mm: There is always a way back. They just need their customers to keep them on the right path, to be there and push them back (with cattle-prods if need be).
The thing for me is GOG can not leave DRM-free, since finding this site I have been able to play games without needing to concern myself with my internets poor connection state.

As for games not running correctly, well there they also need to be pulled up regularly. They may not have the source code to the games, but they owe it to their customers to make sure that the gaming experience is decent.
I do agree that we must take up the effort to provide some sort of reference for GOG. "OK, we understand and find that change acceptable" or "No, you're going too far. Turn back!"
If we don't care, they won't care either. I prefer to be the "chicken little" yelling "the sky is falling" when nothing is going on, than the old guy on the porch, looking at chaos around him and wondering "when did we allow things to be this way"? So I won't shy from sharing my concerns. Yet, I feel like a minority within a minority.