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Stellaris - Lithoids: Species Pack is now available for pre-order.

The Lithoids Species Pack features a selection of new rock-based species portraits and ship models for players who take nothing for granite and are looking to unearth a more grounded civilization. Lithoids are a bigger and boulder species type made entirely of sapient rock who eat minerals for sustenance, are long-lived, and can colonize in almost any environment.

Stellaris: Federations is coming soon.

The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. With the Stellaris: Federations expansion, players can extend their diplomatic dominion over the galaxy like never before. Use every trick in the book to gain an edge on friend and foe alike, with a host of new options to influence, manipulate, and dominate without firing a shot.
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Krogan32: The problem is that the devs treat Stellaris like a Early Access title and change core gameplay mechanics on a whim so that the end game looks absolutely nothing like the game at launch. Stellaris 1.9 vs. 2.0 being the prime example that cost Paradox 40% of their playerbase, was the worst rated patch from Paradox in history, and led Paradox to have four consecutive sales of Stellaris in a 3 month timeframe to try and get back the lost population.
I still don't understand the bitterness. If you think Stellaris had a golden age at version X that won't be reached again, just stop at version X.

From most companies, you don't get radical gameplay changes once a game shipped. If the game went well, you get a few expansions maybe that do some minor tweaks and maybe extend a bit on some mechanics or prune one that was particularly badly received. Then a (full price) successor game comes with some more radical changes but it will need two or three (payed) expansions just to feel up to par with the previous one.
I'd rather take the Stellaris approach here. But if you don't like, stick with X and pretend what came after is Stellaris n+1 and you don't want it.

I can look at what I payed for Stellaris, how many hours I played and how much fun I had and the values match up. Sure, it's possible at some point that they will no longer match. Games change. People change. Available times changes. Interests change.
If that happens, I will stop and find something else to do. Or stick to the last version I liked. But I will hopefully not sit in a forum being bitter whenever someone mentions my lost love.
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GenlyAi: I for had only bought the original game, with no DLCs, will probably grab one for the first ones. Any suggestions folks for my first Stellaris DLCs'?
Start with the Story Packs, they’re cheaper than the full blown expansions but still bring some nice new things to do during a game.
I suggest going with Leviathans first if you like the idea of fighting big dragons (in spaAAAace!!), or Synthetic Dawn if you want to try a very different kind of empire.
Post edited October 22, 2019 by vv221
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BitMaster_1980: If you have a good suggestion for something Stellaris-like from indie devs, I'm more than open to it.
try star ruler 2 ... you can get it on gog or there is an open source verson

things Stellaris doesn't have = custom ship designs + cpu power friendly i.e, it runs well on systems that will not manage Stellaris but you can also make a mega-verse map which needs the Nasa supercomputer to play

Paradox has added a LOT of Dlc to Stellaris and yes some of it could have been tested before release but its a big game that is good value imo
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ussnorway: Utopia or Leviathans are middle to late game option... Leviathans adds some special shopping which is nice in the early game so most people grab that first

and Apocalypse is the end game... you can play a few times before the ending gets boring mate

grab the free ones too
Thanks! I already put in 50h, but I *do* still feel there's a lot more to be done with the base game (not to mention all the mods).


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GenlyAi: I for had only bought the original game, with no DLCs, will probably grab one for the first ones. Any suggestions folks for my first Stellaris DLCs'?
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vv221: Start with the Story Packs, they’re cheaper than the full blown expansions but still bring some nice new things to do during a game.
I suggest going with Leviathans first if you like the idea of fighting big dragons (in spaAAAace!!), or Synthetic Dawn if you want to try a very different kind of empire.
Thanks! Yep, I was considering Leviathans while I still enjoy the base game (if that's possible), and wait a bit more to buy the story packs. Who knows, by them they will bundle lots of them in a cheaper collection? :)
Post edited October 22, 2019 by GenlyAi
Any idea when Federations is coming out other than "soon"?
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Krogan32: The problem is that the devs treat Stellaris like a Early Access title and change core gameplay mechanics on a whim so that the end game looks absolutely nothing like the game at launch. Stellaris 1.9 vs. 2.0 being the prime example that cost Paradox 40% of their playerbase, was the worst rated patch from Paradox in history, and led Paradox to have four consecutive sales of Stellaris in a 3 month timeframe to try and get back the lost population.
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BitMaster_1980: I still don't understand the bitterness. If you think Stellaris had a golden age at version X that won't be reached again, just stop at version X.

From most companies, you don't get radical gameplay changes once a game shipped. If the game went well, you get a few expansions maybe that do some minor tweaks and maybe extend a bit on some mechanics or prune one that was particularly badly received. Then a (full price) successor game comes with some more radical changes but it will need two or three (payed) expansions just to feel up to par with the previous one.
I'd rather take the Stellaris approach here. But if you don't like, stick with X and pretend what came after is Stellaris n+1 and you don't want it.

I can look at what I payed for Stellaris, how many hours I played and how much fun I had and the values match up. Sure, it's possible at some point that they will no longer match. Games change. People change. Available times changes. Interests change.
If that happens, I will stop and find something else to do. Or stick to the last version I liked. But I will hopefully not sit in a forum being bitter whenever someone mentions my lost love.
This is not "bitterness" as you falsely claim. I am informing others that Paradox treats their games as early access titles. Here are the problems with how they treat their games:
1. People want to know what they're getting in a game and not have massive, radical changes to the game's core mechanics one or more times throughout the game's life. This is especially true to modders.
2. It's true that Paradox allows options to DL prior versions of their games on Steam (don't know about GoG). However, they do NOT label what version of the game is required for what DLC. This is intentional on Paradox's part as they want to swindle the uninformed out of money as the uninformed will buy DLC's that sound cool but realize later that it is not for the version of the game that they enjoy.
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Krogan32: (don't know about GoG).
when you buy a Paradox game on Gog you get 3 options;
1. Galaxy install which can roll back last 5 versions of the game and gets updates pretty much as fast as they come out
2. off line installer for people that don't want to use Galaxy... it sometimes takes a bit longer to get updates doing it this way

3 Paradox key (links to your Paradox account the same as if you got the game dirrect from them instead of Gog)
- the down side is you have to agree to Paradox rules
+ the up side is you can download and run more than just the last 5 versons so if you really like some weard build then its available
... to be clear the Paradox install is different to Gog install which may be good or bad for crossplay against your mates on Steam and reguardless Steam, Gog and Paradox versons are NOT compatible with each other when installed on the same computer i.e, you have to unistall one before putting the other one on