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kai2: As I said in another thread, China is adopting a posture of active preparation for potential conflict and this is one of the internal strategies (one of many).
If China attacks Taiwan, I wonder how bad the CPU and GPU chip shortage will be after that, considering TMSC...?
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Maybe China will enact gamer genocide and send gamers to re-education camps. I wonder how this would change the image of gaming in Western countries.
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Jorev: China orders broadcasters to ban "sissy men" it deems aren't masculine enough for TV
SEPTEMBER 3, 2021 / 6:35 AM / CBS/AP

China's government banned effeminate men on TV and told broadcasters Thursday to promote "revolutionary culture," broadening a campaign to tighten control over business and society and enforce official morality.

President Xi Jinping has called for a "national rejuvenation," with tighter Communist Party control of business, education, culture and religion. Companies and the public are under increasing pressure to align with its vision for a more powerful China and healthier society.
Whenever politicians start saying things like "national rejuvenation," that usually means they're either trying to distract from their own incompetence as leaders or they're hiding some bad and/or illegal behavior.
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Anothername: Xi [...] wants the current youth growing up to be later easily pumped up for war.
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timppu: If China attacks
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kai2: China is adopting a posture of active preparation for potential conflict
Just to put the CIA-ordained talking points of China being the aggressor into proper context, let's have a quick look at a handy dandy map of US military bases in the Pacific. Notice anything?

Oddly enough, I don't see the Chinese having military bases off the coast of California.
Post edited September 04, 2021 by fronzelneekburm
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fronzelneekburm:
There's a good chance though that China will eventually try to re-integrate Taiwan by force, the current situation seems unstable. And such a conflict could easily lead to WW3, given the increasingly close ties between Russia and China.
(note, I'm opposed to demonization of China and Russia, imo the eagerness for confrontation seen among sections of Western opinion-makers and politicians is a mistake).
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kai2: China is adopting a posture of active preparation for potential conflict
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fronzelneekburm: Just to put the CIA-ordained talking points of China being the aggressor into proper context, let's have a quick look at a handy dandy map of US military bases in the Pacific. Notice anything?

Oddly enough, I don't see the Chinese having military bases off the coast of California.
Even if the CCP invades Taiwan, you won't have to worry about the average American, who will not want anything to do with it, especially after Afghanistan.
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TheBigCore: Even if the CCP invades Taiwan, you won't have to worry about the average American, who will not want anything to do with it, especially after Afghanistan.
There was a recent poll about this which paints a more complicated picture:
https://www.thechicagocouncil.org/research/public-opinion-survey/first-time-half-americans-favor-defending-taiwan-if-china-invades
https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/defense-08272021140711.html
In any case, these issues aren't decided by average people.
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TheBigCore: Even if the CCP invades Taiwan, you won't have to worry about the average American, who will not want anything to do with it, especially after Afghanistan.
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morolf: In any case, these issues aren't decided by average people.
That's for sure. Many people in the US tried to stop the USA from invading Iraq and the war-mongerers in our government still invaded regardless.
Authoratarian dictatorships suck.
Why are people surprised by this?
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TheBigCore: Even if the CCP invades Taiwan, you won't have to worry about the average American, who will not want anything to do with it, especially after Afghanistan.
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morolf: There was a recent poll about this which paints a more complicated picture:
https://www.thechicagocouncil.org/research/public-opinion-survey/first-time-half-americans-favor-defending-taiwan-if-china-invades
https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/defense-08272021140711.html
In any case, these issues aren't decided by average people.
Thank god for that, since the average voters knowledge of foreign affairs in on the zero level.
Post edited September 05, 2021 by dudalb
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dudalb: Thank god for that, since the average voters knowledge of foreign affairs in on the zero level.
I don't know, "educated" people are also often pretty delusional.
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morolf: There's a good chance though that China will eventually try to re-integrate Taiwan by force, the current situation seems unstable.
In all honesty, I find the scenario of China invading Taiwan extremely unlikely. People tend to greatly exaggerate China's willingness to go to war - remember that the last time they were at war with another country was over 40 years ago. Sure, they will try to eventually re-integrate Taiwan, it's their declared policy, but why would they do this by military means if they can soft power their way into accomplishing this goal without firing a single shot and thus avoiding all the bad optics a non-peaceful takeover would bring? Incidentally, there was a bit of controversy recently when a retired Taiwanese army general put up a youtube video in which he called on the military to overthrow the government - the Taiwanese government, mind you. The video is in Chinese, but there's a transcript in the video description, which you can use an online translator for. Even if you don't agree with what the guy says, it'll offer you a valuable alternate perspective on the situation.
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fronzelneekburm:
I think it depends on developments in Taiwan, if Taiwan goes for a formal declaration of independence (instead of the ambiguous situation of the last 50 years where both sides agree there will be reunification..somehow, at some point in the future), then that would harden views in the PRC and maybe make them think "now or never". Also much depends of course on how China views its relationship with the US. I'm personally not anti-China and don't think they're some evil force bent on global domination, but imo there is potential for an armed conflict, which could have catastrophic consequences for the entire world (without anybody really wanting it, miscalculations could lead to an escalation that at some point can't be stopped anymore).
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morolf: I think it depends on developments in Taiwan, if Taiwan goes for a formal declaration of independence (instead of the ambiguous situation of the last 50 years where both sides agree there will be reunification..somehow, at some point in the future), then that would harden views in the PRC and maybe make them think "now or never". Also much depends of course on how China views its relationship with the US. I'm personally not anti-China and don't think they're some evil force bent on global domination, but imo there is potential for an armed conflict, which could have catastrophic consequences for the entire world (without anybody really wanting it, miscalculations could lead to an escalation that at some point can't be stopped anymore).
Even if Taiwan were to declare independence, I have trouble believing the Chinese would reply with an invasion. They're heavily driven by realpolitik and there's precious little upsides (uhh, hey, we finally got our wayward province back after 70 years! Yay us!) and a whole lotta downsides (they already got enough of a headache with Hong Kong, why would they willingly subject themselves to another island full of malcontents?). If Taiwan were to declare independence, I'd find it far more likely that China would turn the place into a Chinese Cuba of sorts by using economic sanctions.
Post edited September 05, 2021 by fronzelneekburm
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fronzelneekburm:
Maybe, tbh I find the likelihood difficult to evaluate. There's also a view that China could try to show the US to be a paper tiger if they conduct a successful invasion of Taiwan and the US doesn't intervene, which could then lead to a total unraveling of the post-1945 system in East Asia. But of course that would be an extremely high risk strategy, and as you write China has been pretty cautious so far and hasn't waged a war for more than 40 years (which contrasts favorably with Western states tbh). So I don't know, very hard imo to come to any secure conclusions.
In any case, we probably shouldn't continue this discussion here, I kind of feel the ban hammer already hovering over our heads :-)
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Post edited September 05, 2021 by kai2