Fenixp, I don't really know how to respond to your posts, but I'll do my best.
Actually... Thank you for that.
You understand nothing about forensics, apparently.
True. I still do think, however, that proper gun control leads to less guns in circulation.
And for your second point, all I can say is: That's what I call the pussy point of view. Not trying to be a jerk, but as a man, I'd rather have a chance to fight then just assume that I won't be able to fight back.
You say you're a realist. I happen to think that of myself as well, and 'pussy' and 'man' don't come into play when you're trying to think that way. You've got military training, I can understand your point of view slightly, altho I don't necessarily agree with it. For one, I'm a programmer. I don't have your reflexes and even if I had a gun (and I actually do know how to use one,) there's a fair probability that I just wouldn't be fast enough in a situation where someone tries to rob me at gunpoint.
But there's another side to this issue entirely: Let me start off by the fact that I have never been held at a gunpoint, so take what I'm going to say with a grain of salt. I am a stoic, mostly I don't react to situations by fear or panic, I usually stay calm and try to work my way towards a solution. And in a situation where someone would aim a gun at me, I would not really thing about 'ohgoshI'mgoingtodie' all that much, I'd just think 'Ok, I'll give this guy my money and he'll go away.'
Why would I give him money as opposed to fight back you ask? Well, I never carry too much cash or valuables on me at any given time for one. Another thing is: Having 'balls' just seems incredibly selfish to me. If I were to defend myself, chances are I'll get hurt or killed. If I got hurt, I couldn't work for several days, a week or more, getting me and my wife into a fairly bad financial situation, not to mention all the stress involved from her side. If I were to get killed, I'll leave a fairly unhappy widow around. I don't think she'd give a shit about me being manly and having balls in either of those situations.
So basically, you said you've got a family. If you got shot because you want to prove how much of a man you are, well I'd think that you're quite a jerk. Then again, me-programmer, you-exmilitary. But that's just how I see it, and it seems to be quite a practical point of view as far as I'm concerned (I mean obviously, it's my point of view.)
Again, I'd rather have a chance. I'm not a pussy. I'm not just going to assume that the criminals will win and I will lose no matter what. I will decide my own fate, thank you very much. That is and should always be my right as an American.
To be fair, I don't really blame you there all that much. It doesn't hurt to be safe. But it doesn't change the fact that chances of the gun actually helping anything are incredibly slim - that's not really 'view of a pussy,' that's another practical view.
A) Wow, how did you ever come up with that? You do realize that the animal still has to be killed, correct? This isn't StarTrek; We do not have replicators (yet). So what happens if the day comes that you can no longer just buy meat from a butcher? It sounds to me like you have a carefree worldview resembling that of a child. How old are you? I'm not saying that to be a jerk, I just mean that it sounds like you still have some growing up to do.
B) I don't disagree that proper training and licensing is a bad idea.
A) Well as far as I know, at least on farms in Czech Republic, animals aren't really shot anymore, they're rendered unconscious and then they get their arteries cut. It's not as costy as bullets. What happens when I can no longer buy meat from a butcher? I don't know, what happens when there's no more breathable oxygen in the atmosphere? People were able to buy meat from a butcher for quite some time now, and I sort of don't really see this trend dying off in the near future. Yeah, situations may arise where this option will no longer be availible. Oh well, I suppose I'll have to live off whatever I can get my hands on then. I'm 23 by the way, so yeah, I've got quite a bit of growing up to do still.
B) Well then we agree on the point I deem the most important.
I don't even understand what you're trying to state here.
I started the argument to basically say that proper and strict gun control is needed, because that's what people seem to be talking now. I never said that guns should be banned. So as I said, we seem to agree on the point I was trying to make in the first place anyway.