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Leroux: Frankly, I'm not even sure anymore why I've waited for the BTA to drop, seeing that the games in that tier aren't the ones I'm most interested in (I'm usually a fan of P&C adventures and very open, but these ones don't appeal to me). I think I'm going to get the Phantasmaburbia bundle and help unlocking at least one bonus instead. 10 sales to go! :)
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spoderman: They've added games before in past bundles, so I'm waiting it out to see if they add any to the BTA. Probably won't add anything that makes me want to pay more than the minimum, but who knows.

Oh, and Vampires finally comes with a desura key.
cheers for that confirmation
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Leroux: Frankly, I'm not even sure anymore why I've waited for the BTA to drop, seeing that the games in that tier aren't the ones I'm most interested in (I'm usually a fan of P&C adventures and very open, but these ones don't appeal to me). I think I'm going to get the Phantasmaburbia bundle and help unlocking at least one bonus instead. 10 sales to go! :)
Hmm yeah, I have two of the games from the upper tier and I'm not massively impressed by Reversion Episode 1.
Wasn't really that into the BTA either (not crazy about episodic, and backed the upcoming Enchanced J.U.L.I.A. already) but I've been passing on most bundles lately anyway, and always kinda liked these guys. They seemed to be one of the few to actually stick to and take to heart the "indie" and "DRM-free" slogans (and text adventures, yay!).

So sorry, afraid I won't be lowering the average :P

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amok: Indie Dev Grant have a new site:
http://idg.kyttarogames.com/
much better than the blog.
Much better indeed, about time as well, (belated) thanks for the heads up.
4 sales til the first unlock. WOohooooooo. Oh yeah i better cough up the first tier i suppose...
Hmm, while sales are horrendously slow the high-ish average at least means a decent amount of money. I wonder whether they would have made more by starting with a lower average though...
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SirPrimalform: Hmm, while sales are horrendously slow the high-ish average at least means a decent amount of money. I wonder whether they would have made more by starting with a lower average though...
that's the million dollar question or in their case much less.can't tell if low sales due to the bundle or high bta
phantasmaburbia deluxe box unlocked.
Post edited March 25, 2013 by nijuu
They've been experimenting with the pricing with every bundle I believe, at first they had a higher minimum that dropped as more people bought the bundle (ending with $1 for the whole bundle near the end I think, which was borderline criminal ;P), then came the BTA but with a lower $0.99 minimum, which probably contributed to the lower averages people apparently got accustomed to. At the moment the minimum / avg is pretty much in line with most other bundles, isn't it? Wish they were doing better...
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MoP: They've been experimenting with the pricing with every bundle I believe, at first they had a higher minimum that dropped as more people bought the bundle (ending with $1 for the whole bundle near the end I think, which was borderline criminal ;P), then came the BTA but with a lower $0.99 minimum, which probably contributed to the lower averages people apparently got accustomed to. At the moment the minimum / avg is pretty much in line with most other bundles, isn't it? Wish they were doing better...
$6 isnt in line.. IR is close to $5, Indie gamer is around $4 Groupee $5, IG $5.... Biab is the highest atm and arguably not as good value...
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MoP: They've been experimenting with the pricing with every bundle I believe, at first they had a higher minimum that dropped as more people bought the bundle (ending with $1 for the whole bundle near the end I think, which was borderline criminal ;P), then came the BTA but with a lower $0.99 minimum, which probably contributed to the lower averages people apparently got accustomed to. At the moment the minimum / avg is pretty much in line with most other bundles, isn't it? Wish they were doing better...
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nijuu: $6 isnt in line.. IR is close to $5, Indie gamer is around $4 Groupee $5, IG $5.... Biab is the highest atm and arguably not as good value...
Close enough in my book (evens it out with the previous 'criminally low' bundles ;P) and yeah, I'd argue that ;)

I suppose if the sales don't move in the coming days, they'll do some readjusting. Possibly combine all of the unlocks into one goal or something, i think they always ended up unlocking everything, haven't they?
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nijuu: $6 isnt in line.. IR is close to $5, Indie gamer is around $4 Groupee $5, IG $5.... Biab is the highest atm and arguably not as good value...
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MoP: Close enough in my book (evens it out with the previous 'criminally low' bundles ;P) and yeah, I'd argue that ;)

I suppose if the sales don't move in the coming days, they'll do some readjusting. Possibly combine all of the unlocks into one goal or something, i think they always ended up unlocking everything, haven't they?
Not sure but some have mentioned they have added games (not in listed unlocks) before - wonder how they will handle that with the low sales...
Does anyone know how many copies they sold of their previous bundles?

Anyway, objectively, I think $6 for nine games is not all that much, in fact it's little compared to what they'd cost at full price, and these prices ($2 lower tier, $6 BTA) are not even meant as fixed prices but as bare minimum. The problems are:

1. the overabundance of game bundles and sales, meaning that there's a tough competition and I also assume most gamers already have more games than they could realistically play, and partly they even own the games offered in the bundles already

2. most of the games in bundles are probably not "must-haves" for the potential customers, otherwise they might have bought them before, unless they are already so accustomed to the sale and bundles practice that they decided to wait for the obligatory discount. My guess is that the majority (at least the majority of those who are really into indie games) just buys these bundles out of curiosity or to collect them and not because they're extremely excited about the games in them

3. if you're in the habit of shelling out a few dollars a week to buy bundled or discounted games you don't even have the time to play, the amount you're willing to spend will probably decrease further and further

4. eventually instead of PWYW, you'll resort to regarding the bare minimum or something close to it as the actual price you're going to pay, you'll also get more and more critical and skip bundles you initiially thought about buying, if they are not cheap enough or don't have enough games you consider worth playing; this might seem greedy and stingy from a developer's point of view, but it seems logical from the customer's, due to the oversaturated market

5. in the case of Bundle in a Box, they started late, when a couple of bundles were established, well-known and popular already, and bundle fatigue was already kicking in, plus they cater to a niche of hardcore indie fans with a taste for experimental games and underdogs, instead of going for the "Top of the Pops" in indie gaming like e.g. HIB, so not only do they reach fewer people because they're not as well-known as the other bundles, their audience is also limited by their more courageous but also more risky approach regarding the choice of games.

I'm kind of torn on this whole thing, because I really like the indie scene, but I also like cheap games. The habit of buying and trying a lot of games from a lot of developers also means I can't afford to spend as much money on each of them as they're actually worth (assuming that's even possible to define objectively). So I feel like I'm supporting and exploiting them at the same time ... I like Bundle in a Box and I'm sad to see that they don't get as much attention, sales and money as I'd like them to get, but at the same time I can also understand why. Personally, I thought their first bundle was awesome regarding the quality, just a bit unfortunate regarding the repeats (at that point almost every real P&C fan already had Gemini Rue and Time Gentlemen Please, I guess). The other bundles were more daring and original in choice, but IMO not quite on par regarding the quality of the games and they had a little less appeal to me (I skipped bundle 2&3, despite being a curious "indie gamer"). This bundle to me is mildly interesting again, but it still made me wonder whether I wouldn't be better off spending the $6 on one single game that I really want to play (like a highly acclaimed GOG) than on several only mildly interesting ones to add to my collection of 400+ mostly unplayed games ...

Ah, the gift and curse of indie bundles ... :/
/rambling mode off
Post edited March 25, 2013 by Leroux
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Leroux: Does anyone know how many copies they sold of their previous bundles?
It was more then 6000 with BTA around 2,92 (0,99 as minimum).

edit: This was for their previous bundle - Eclectic Delights
Post edited March 25, 2013 by triock
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Leroux: Does anyone know how many copies they sold of their previous bundles?
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triock: It was more then 6000 with BTA around 2,92 (0,99 as minimum).

edit: This was for their previous bundle - Eclectic Delights
Hm, 6000 times $3 sounds better to me than 1000 times $6 ... but maybe that's short-sighted? Or one of these nonsensical "lost sales" assessments? ;)
Post edited March 25, 2013 by Leroux
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triock: It was more then 6000 with BTA around 2,92 (0,99 as minimum).

edit: This was for their previous bundle - Eclectic Delights
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Leroux: Hm, 6000 times $3 sounds better to me than 1000 times $6 ... but maybe that's short-sighted? Or one of these nonsensical "lost sales" assessments? ;)
Yeah, it sounds better to me as well. :D
Don't get me wrong, I like BIAB and I think this is a nice bundle as they're at least offering something different. But even 1000 is much more than I expected with $2 min. price and only 1 Steam game (there are lots of idiots who don't play anything if it's not on Steam lol), so I think they should be happy about sales.