Nationalism will never die as long as people are out there who feel the urge to use their ethnicity or nationality as a way to assert their superiority over everyone else because they're too incapable, too stupid or too fucking lazy to actually make an effort to achieve something in life.

Nationalism is just the lazy cunt's way of saying "I'm proud of being such and such" without actually earning that pride. When an ideology offers such a shortcut to unearned pride, why should it die out?

No, what I am saying is that it is bad for Finnish economy (educating nurses which then go to work abroad, even though they'd have lots of work available also in Finland).

I didn't say anything whether or not they have a right to do what they do. If this became an acute problem, I dunno, the education wouldn't be free anymore but you'd get e.g. tax reductions etc. for your big student loan later on if you pay your taxes to Finland, or something like that.

I am unsure if Estonian nurses come to work that much to Finland, it seems to be more about e.g. Estonian construction workers. This has been actually good to Estonian economy because at least earlier Estonia had higher unemployment so being able to work in Finland (while still living in Estonia) was very good for them.

Sometimes there has been discussion about e.g. importing more Philippinian nurses to Finland. To me that would generally also sound bad for Philippines, albeit I don't know about their education system. What evens it out though is that immigrants from Asian countries tend to send quite a lot of money to their home country, which helps that local economy.

Maybe so, but that is not really a problem caused by the (bigger) countries that are doing better. Quite often the problem in those countries is not necessarily their size, but the education system, corruption etc. After all, the Nordic countries are not much bigger than that.

I don't buy the argument that richer countries automatically owes it to poorer countries to help them out, from here to eternity, especially if the citizens of the richer country have no say to e.g. the politics and economy of the poorer country, like ousting their corrupt leaders and public servants. I personally see that at least in the democracies the citizens are first and foremost responsible on how their country is run and how it is doing.

Maybe with North Korea etc. I'm ready to give the citizens a break, why they just don't revolt and change their leaders etc. It would cost many of their lives as they are at the gunpoint. Still, now that I think about it, how come such a system came to be in North Korea? Who and why allowed it, or were the North Koreans always so weak and powerless to get the leaders they deserve, even hundreds of years ago? Maybe Wikipedia knows...

Your first two paragraphs were incoherent attempts at dodging my point, which was that there was no reliable way to prove identity before the modern era besides face-to-face contact and people often took advantage of that. But your last one:
Anonymous accusations of harassment aren't taken seriously! Ones with names and faces, those are taken much more seriously now where before they were often dismissed. For example, if I was to post 'X harassed me' and not post dates, times, details, etc no one would care one bit. Only if I posted the details would it be enforceable. As for GOG users being anonymous - yeah, to a certain extent, and no, I don't think anyone official would take this forum seriously. Why do you think anyone would? We're real people having a discussion and all, but everything posted here is useless for any real purpose outside of sharing a hobby.

Anonymous death and rape threats are a whole different ball of wax than in-person harassment reporting, and YET still not taken seriously! No police will act on them (even when the laws say they should), etc. People are trying to get harassment campaigns taken seriously and to teach young guys (because it's almost always young guys - young women do fake social media stuff more afaik) that threatening to kill or rape someone isn't OK. There is pushback on this idea that death and rape threats are bad, which is kind of unbelievable until you remember that we live in a society where a raped middle-schooler got told she was asking for it because of her slutty clothing.

TL;DR
You were the one who brought up 'anonymous users' as a huge danger to...something. You were incredibly unclear on what, exactly, you were objecting to earlier. I pointed out that anonymous users are not taken seriously anywhere. You replied with some random stuff, implied that I think GOG posts are taken seriously (lol no) and than got angry about people trying to put a stop to online harassment. That argument is demonstrably invalid, because no one official takes online harassment seriously, and newspapers only when they can spin it into a sensational story.

Back on topic, have the various British parties indicated their stance on labor movement agreements post-EU? I imagine that's got to be the biggest concern for individuals at this point.
1) Even if extinction is on the horizon, there's no reason to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Also, breaking news: People can multi-task.

2) Extinction is not in the near future by any reasonable predictions. Massive changes and suffering? Yeah, if the timeline is a couple centuries. But we kind of passed the point of no return on that one, so we're just going to have to adapt to whatever comes our way. I'd like to have a society worth saving.

3) Historically, war is the traditional solution to a problem of limited resources. We may have a chance of averting that this time if we can convince everyone, worldwide, particularly India, to stop having so many babies, but progress on that has been limited. Believing that we can make any change that will avoid both war and famine is, at this point, highly unrealistic.

4) Also, China has a heavily single-male population, a shaky economy and a firm cultural belief in their innate superiority, so we may be doomed to war anyway just from that.

TL;DR You need a better understanding of current and historical sociology and weather patterns.

Nationalism = code for racism/xenophobia.

A very old and entirely incorrect argument. But keep fighting for that nebulous global happy camp. It's been doing wonders so far.... well, it has actually, so long as you're a banker or a bureaucrat.

Maybe misunderstood? Cannot speak from them but I myself would prefer to say I'm from Europe; Germany as a US guy would say hes from the US; California (example).

But you already pointed out the (maybe biggest) problems: bankers, bureaucrats: money. If its not about people no wonder the people don't care. EU needs to do something about its image for its own citizens. Feel good stuff, not fearmongering and fingerpointing to others.

Globalism is a nice idea. Horrible in practice. Problem is the globalists are by nature political elites who want to distance themselves from responsibility or having to be accountable to the people. That's why they sell fear and the illusion of safety in order to gain more power and entrench themselves in their lofty towers. To me that should preclude any real interest of the 'common folk' from supporting it, yet... there it is.

Every year that goes by more and more nations are losing their own distinctiveness and sovereignty, and in return they're offered loans they can't pay back and the promise of social controls that will better their lives. All illusions, all lies. How the bottom 90% would support their own raping by the top 1% confounds me. But yet its somehow always the nationalists fault, always the Libertarians' fault, always the free market capitalists' fault. Government bureaucracy is its own inside job. The problem is the solution is the problem.

Relentless greed... worst offender of human progress; root of all evil :(

Capitalist greed and its excessive influence has been a problem ever since the Industrial Revolution - it was the Industrial Revolution that turned most of the west into plutocracies in the first place by putting untold power in the hands of the industrialists. The EU has tried to act as a dispassionate middle ground between the general people and the elite, falling foul of both the far left and the far right in the process, something which few institutions manage to achieve, and its dispassionate "bureaucratic" approach is part of why people hate it. But it's also the very thing that people need.

One of the running gags about the EU is that its detractors seem to alternately accuse it of being both a socialist and a neoliberalist conspiracy, so it must be doing something right.

After the Brexit, we got the news of Barroso getting hired by Goldman Sachs then this Tuesday, they started the procedure of sanctions (based on the "pact of stability") against Spain and Portugal.........

Well, I will qualify my statement by pointing out that there is a "positive" form of nationalism - civic nationalism. The kind that countries like Scotland practice.

In 95% of cases though, nationalism in practice is ethnic nationalism, which goes hand and hand with the delusional belief that one's own race, culture and religion is superior and ultimately results in racism, xenophobia, violence and in extreme cases, politically sanctioned religious discrimination and ethnic cleansing.

Something fun to ease the moods (roughly translated "May: My cabinet is ready": http://www.titanic-magazin.de/postkarten/karte/clowning-street-26114/

The Dalek worries me most ;)

Happy weekend everybody, regardless from where :)

Europe could use some nationalism right now. Some countries seem committed to multiculturalism to the point of no return.

I'm simply stating facts that should be axioms at this point in time. We *have* to put war behind us and adopt sustainable economies or we'll soon go the way of the dinosaurs. In case you've forgotten, the dinosaurs died out because they failed to adapt, and humans are proving to be remarkably similar. We're stuck in a rut so large that we may well not be able to climb out of it before it's too late. We haven't got a clue how much more damage the food chain can sustain before it collapses, and if it does we're finished, and all the other evolved life forms as well, sadly. We may already be past the point of no return, yet we can't even manage to lessen our destructive impact, much less stop it.

You are dishonest. You bring up this point for the first time. Previously you said

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Pre-newspaper, there simply wasn't a reliable way to get information from outside walking distance for much of the world. Mail services as we would recognize them simply didn't exist for most of humanity.

Yeah, moving was inconvenient, but you could also adopt a whole new identity with every move - no ID cards, no licenses, the only proof of identity were hand written letters and seals, that sort of thing. Unless you were a government official, to a certain extent.
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It has ENTIRELY DIFFERENT MEANING.

I see no where in your previous posts you say something similarly to "no reliable way to prove identity before the modern era besides face-to-face contact and people often took advantage of that"
Please point out where you post something similar to that.

What's stopping someone from using someone else name and uploading someone else photo? Heck there are even pedophiles in the internet pretend to be a girl by using a avatar of a girl to prey on unsuspecting victims.
Date, time, details can be made up.

Hence proving my point, people posting irresponsibly, and there are people like you who would take that seriously, as proven by what you said yourself.

For example, lies like the wage gap is so prevalent because there are many people like you who accept it without question.
If they ever question why employers does not improve their bottom line by hiring only female employers, if they can produce the same result as male, the lie will fall apart.

Dishonesty again. You are accusing me being angry about people trying to stop online harassment . Please point to where I said so.
I pointed out someone caught red handed trying to create drama by harassing him / herself. Is that what you called angry about people trying to stop online harassment?

It will be helpful if you link the article that contribute to "that we live in a society where a raped middle-schooler got told she was asking for it because of her slutty clothing" . You live in the US, and last I check it is not some third world society that have a high number of rape, and rapist get away from punishment.

I stand by what I said previously
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/brexit_once_upon_a_time_in_eu_official_thread_please_stay_civil/post1377
Please point out what is unclear to you.

Scotland, in case of becoming independent - I somewhat think that Spain's aspiration about Gibraltar could push them towards being a bit naughty towards UK sans Scotland.

And besides, the rest of EU should tell Spain to tolerate independence aspirations of Catalonia. The trouble obviously is that likes of Luxembourg get on with corporate tax avoidance schemes betraying their EU partners, and Malta gets on with online gambling (with assumed tax avoidance).

Why should not Catalonia get about in this mini-state competition? It is well tolerated already.

As to Scotland staying in the UK - it would only require the "reverse Greenland" model.