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Ramor_: GOG does lot of shady illegal stuff
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fronzelneekburm: How much is Gabe Newell paying you to say this?
A steambot?
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Krogan32: I can read financial statements. Their last quarterly one shows a 38% increase in sales from the same period last year. However, the expenses were higher as well, which is why there was a net loss. If you didn't include the saddling of the expenses associated with GWENT due to GWENT having nothing to do with GoG, then that loss actually turns into a profit. So, no, 38% increase in sales isn't a decline as you intentionally claim it is.
I think you're including the whole of CDP in those figures, and not only GOG?

In the third quarter GOG's revenue went up by only 3% YoY. And what we assume to be costs due to Gwent, a net loss of 1.1M USD was posted. At least in 2020 Q3 a profit of a whopping 30K USD was made, hah.

In their best year, GOG made 20M PLN, followed by basically negligible profits in 2021. That 20M PLN represents razor thin margins too at ~6% (20M/343M). Considering this was an exceptional year for GOG due to the release of Cyberpunk, it's kind of worrisome.

If the losses, tiny profits or razor thin margins don't scare you, and the fact that GOG is basically operating as a non-profit organisation after all these years, then consider how small GOG's quarterly revenue is. Definitely something to ponder about.

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2021-11-29-cd-projekt-sales-up-but-gog-struggles

"Another contributing factor to the less flattering bottom line was the performance of the company's digital storefront, GOG.com. Despite the addition during the quarter of older Star Trek games, Myst, and new titles like Psychonauts 2, GOG only saw revenues inch upward 3% to PLN 41.8 million ($10.1 million).

At the same time, GOG posted a segment net loss of PLN 4.75 million ($1.14 million) compared to the 130,000 PLN ($31,000) it realized in the year-ago quarter.

Year-to-date, GOG has posted net losses of 9.21 million PLN ($2.21 million) compared to a cumulative 5.7 million PLN ($1.37 million) gain through the first three quarters of last year."
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rjbuffchix: You are either making ad hominem personal attacks or just a false dilemma fallacy? Those are totally the only two options, so which is it? Lol.
Your deflection attempt has failed. Again, which are you engaging in: Hypocrisy or Trolling?

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rjbuffchix: Hypocrisy is a weak charge that has no bearing on whether or not a position is valid, justified, true, etc. This is because to talk about "hypocrisy" is to discuss actions of adherents while to talk about a position is to discuss ideas themselves. I'm interested in discussing ideas, not playing gossip games. Please consider joining me.
Hypocrisy proves that people shouldn't trust you because you are doing the exact opposite of what you are telling people they should do. I'm sorry you are unwilling to accept this fact.

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rjbuffchix: Btw I know others don't want to engage with you (surely they can't see the charming manner that I'm sure is hidden away somewhere in there), so these points are more for the benefit of lurkers than directly between you and I.
That is because I've exposed their true intentions: Faux outrage. This whole thread is a blatant lie as the OP literally stated he still buys games on GoG despite "boycotting" GoG. As I've said quite a few times before, this whole thread should be locked just on that fact alone.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: Then it won't be funny any more when most users lose all or most of their GOG games, since they won't have backups of them (even though it's possible to make backups of GOG's games, realistically, very few people will have a full backup of their whole entire GOG library).
This is actually likely true for a number of users, and is due to people buying a ton of games(more than they can ever play, in some cases) and then never(or slowly) backing them up. I myself let my game backup progress slide for awhile, but recently(in 2021) started backing everything up just in case(including things like net outages and the like).

Yeah, some will say it can't be done, but it's a wise move to do regardless of how stable some think Gog is.
(I myself backed up nearly 500 games at around 1.5 TB using a few hours a day over the course of a few weeks)

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Ramor_: GOG does lot of shady illegal stuff
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fronzelneekburm: How much is Gabe Newell paying you to say this?
Have you forgotten about the "odd timing" of the sales of large portions of company stock by several of the higher ups around/after the 2077 debacle(s)?
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fronzelneekburm: How much is Gabe Newell paying you to say this?
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richlind33: A steambot?
Steambot Willie.

Toot, toot!

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fronzelneekburm: How much is Gabe Newell paying you to say this?
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GamezRanker: Have you forgotten about the "odd timing" of the sales of large portions of company stock by several of the higher ups around/after the 2077 debacle(s)?
I haven't forgotten about it, I wasn't aware of it in the first place. But that is very interesting information indeed...
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It's so amazing how people can get into a deep "intellectual" debate about the fact that company actually thrives and has a lots of money while in the same moment they ignore the fact that people complain about the issue that they don't even get an answer from a support for broken things they paid for "because they are overwhelmed" and refuse to pay more people or to actually invest ANY money into a functional site to be able to follow the laws they supposted to. While we all know they are not overwhelmed, they just don't care, really. Your contract means nothing. It's not for you, it's for them. For you to just follow.

Guys, just because you are licking GOG's boots you are not going to get anything for free, they don't care about you.
And gaming companies need young kids protecting them like you. That is why is so hard to be serious about gaming companies because they are surrounded by kids.

And yes, GOG <- CD Project Red is the most valuable company in the EU. No, I am not going to separate those two companies because it's so obvious. Do even people realize that? People still treat GOG and CD Project Red like some indie company while Ubisoft is a smaller company (or the same at least). It's amazing how people ignore that fact (to just compare, because Ubisoft is from EU as well). I don't see people treating Ubisoft like some poor indie company as people tend to do here with GOG and CDPR.

You know why they make a profit? Because they are selling you games funded by you - taxpayers (Cyberpunk included) as I stated about funding issues before. Customers are part of the bussines, of course.. but there is a lot of deals between those companies and governments only because common people are not aware of them. Did you know that most of the bussines deals of these companies per year - Google, FB, Twitter etc.. are between them, government and army and it's three letter agencies to develop deadlier drone attacks, tracking AI and everything that can be used against common people? It's around 80 percent of contracts and gaming companies are part of that because they also do develop technologies that are paid by you, but not open source and are used for corporal profits and shared with governments to get a ton of funding. While it's all paid by you, against you. To bring you a new dystopia where you are controlled and harmless as possible. USA, EU.. doesn't really matter. Gaming and virtual "whatever" is more and more important part of that, that is why is gaming so funded now. They don't care about people's interests, or did you already forget how they wanted to criminalize games? Maybe you are too young to remember. No, they didn't have change of heart, they just use it instead because of backlash and they realized potential in those technologies (and platforms itself). Look on the site of CD Project Red where there is listed funding for Cyberpunk by the EU (7.5 millions at least). They actually don't fund games, but those technologies in them.

This is topic to point stuff out for others. Of course there are minions trained by social media propaganda to defend big companies without even themselves knowing because they don't want to open eyes and realize the fact that many "influencers" and channels spewing wisdom around the internet are actually paid, pardon.. funded and in the process of making money. And they wouldn't be funded twice if they wouldn't support and share governmental interests (or of some company).
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fronzelneekburm: How much is Gabe Newell paying you to say this?
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GamezRanker: Have you forgotten about the "odd timing" of the sales of large portions of company stock by several of the higher ups around/after the 2077 debacle(s)?
How large are we talking about, GR?

That could explain why so much money was spent on marketing, in spite of the fact that CDP didn't need to do it.
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fronzelneekburm: I haven't forgotten about it, I wasn't aware of it in the first place. But that is very interesting information indeed...
Indeed......several of the higher ups(including a founder or two, iirc) sold large chunks of stock around the time of the 2077 (failure to)release & mass refunding, and each of them made a decent chunk of money while doing so.

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richlind33: How large are we talking about, GR?

That could explain why so much money was spent on marketing, in spite of the fact that CDP didn't need to do it.
If you mean number of shares, I dunno.....but the biggest sellers each made several mill. (iirc, US Dollars) from the sales.
(my guess is that some of em re-bought some stock around when it hit it's lowest value, in the hopes it'd climb back up)
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Ramor_: :D
No seriously.. guys.. nobody is bothered that so many games are funded by taxmoney while they are making money off it?
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You mean that a privately owned entity is privatising its gains and socialising either all or part of its expenses/losses?

Dude, this is how companies work, especially once they reach the ever so sweet too big/important to fail category that most companies vie for. Literally, if such companies are about to fail in North America, they get a free handout. Few or no strings attached. If I was the government, I'd buy such companies for pennies on the dollar and nationalise them, but no, not here anyways: Here's free money to get you out of that hole, courtesy of the tax payers. Keep on profiting Brad.

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Ramor_: To the most valuable company in the EU, bigger than Ubisoft?
Yeah... no. Not even close: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_European_companies_by_revenue

The most valuable companies in North America, the EU and Asia (and quite possibly Africa and South America too) count their assets in billions, not millions.
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Can't post links, but if you will go on the CD Project Red (cdprojekt - the "other" one :D) site and click on the EU flag (:D ridiculous) in the right top corner you will get a list of stuff they requested (and recieved) taxmoney for. And that is just Cyberpunk. Remember that when you have a problem to get a refund or an answer from a support at all while you gave "100 percent of money to CD Project Red". :DDD

Magnitus: I can't argue with you... And Wikipedia is not really a source of information for anything. It's a political page. Even the guy who made it warns about the fact that "they" took over and it's full of lies. And he didn't have to point it out.
But yeah, companies work like a sh*t. Probably we agree somewhere there. Still people shouldn't "consume" that and go with it just because it's widespread. Maybe it's widespread because majority doesn't know how bad it is.

Btw: Your information is from 2012. Since then those guys who created it became billionaries, especially after Cyberpunk. And many sources indeed state CDPR as the most valuable company in the EU. It may fluctuate since that info, but still at least at some point they were very recently, if not still...
Post edited January 14, 2022 by Ramor_
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Boycotting GoG yet you won't boycott Valve with their anti competitive practices and monopoly. Steam doesn't even let you own your games, you're pretty much renting them. But let's go against GoG, the most pro consumer storefront.
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Choomba696: But let's go against GoG, the most pro consumer storefront.
You must be joking...atm i'd say that title is more deserved by zoom-platform**......or maybe even one of the bundle sites.


(**Who have staff regularly answering questions/concerns in their discord, and possibly other avenues as well....instead of giving the silent treatment or form letter cookie cutter style replies after various issues, like Gog does)
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Ramor_: Can't post links,
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replace the parentheses with [ ] brackets
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Choomba696: Boycotting GoG yet you won't boycott Valve with their anti competitive practices and monopoly. Steam doesn't even let you own your games, you're pretty much renting them. But let's go against GoG, the most pro consumer storefront.
Completely true. And, these faux "boycotters" are still buying from GoG despite claiming they are boycotting GoG. If this was any other game site, this thread would've been closed down due to that fact alone.
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Name of the topic: Boycotting GOG 2021-22
Platform: GOG
Content: Boycotting GOG

"You are not boycotting Steam." :D
While in fact if people mention other platforms here they trash them much more, so much it doesn't even deserve a topic because it's dead to them.
You guys are really running out of trolling ideas in your little consuming world. Especially after people here don't care about Steam at first place, because it's so far gone they wouldn't even consider using it. And yes, that is actually a compliment to GOG.. in a way. :/ And those issues people are bothered about it's because they are, I dare to say, touching nature of demographic on GOG and reason for/of it's existence on the market. Because there is nothing else that GOG does better than any other platform except that (offline installers, DRM-free, basic decency) and it's failing even in that, hard. It makes people sad and mad, because it's their money they are thriving upon and ignoring things like... I don't know... the consumer law? While they are filling hard all possible documents on how to recieve funding by taxmoney.

Yet, you guys would like first ban the topic because people would get off topic. Is that what are you doing here?

And noone of you actually replied to what people are talking about here on topic, once. You are instead stating stuff you wish to be true and calling people faux boycotters without any facts while people actually even deleted (or didn't use) other platforms and don't buy stuff (t)here, which you also complain about because it harms you favourite platform. You can't have it both ways. Why are you even here? You guys show up and make the bots go crazy downvoting anyway. You are trying to confuse everyone with your arrival. :D

Do you guys realize that lots of people are using GOG because it was the last bearable place to go and that is why it bothers them? No..? Ok. Not even after people had to spell it out in almost every post in defense so you have higher chance to catch that.
The damage control squad is failing hard. :D I don't think it even deserved the reply, because it's so obvious.

"The little indie pro consumer friendly GOG" owned by billionaries doing insider trading with a company rated more valuable than Ubisoft (or any other company in the EU) filling taxmoney requests to fund products they sell to taxpayers back and don't take legal responsibility for as far as the consumer law goes, because they don't even do support anymore.
No problem theeere....

Btw: The word consumer should be "banned" :D. I am a customer, not a consumer. But at least we can point out the difference between us. :D
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