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awalterj: snip

External recognition is fleeting but you'll always remember when you did something good and that certainly is more important so I agree on that.
Thanks Walter, I'm redeeming as we speak.

Thanks in particular for the well thought responses to my questions earlier. Truly appreciated.

To add on what you said (quoting above), a favorite book of mine has a dialogue about honor and reputation.
Honor is how you measure yourself, reputation is how others measure you. Usually tension happens when your reputation is lower than you know deserved. However the opposite when your reputation is elevated higher than you know deserved can be much worse.

It's actually interesting to consider how in our zeitgeist of subjectivity, honor is so hard to find.
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TheBigLLS: It's not like I deem it inappropriate. I also have no problem hearing about good deed stories from other people. It's just that for me, I don't feel comfortable with it when I do tell. Probably a personality defect lol :) (Gonna be 30 years old, so I don't think it will change with age as well).
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awalterj: Some people change a lot as they grow older, other hardly change at all. I think I changed quite a bit between my early 30s and my mid 30s which I'm at now. Not in terms of base character but in terms of attitude, frame of mind, that kinda stuff.

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TheBigLLS: Me sticking to this behavior actually prevented me getting excellency mark in the army, since most of the stuff I did were unknown to my superiors.
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awalterj: We have conscription over here as well and I always made sure that my superiors knew when I did something bad, that way I could be 100% certain that they wouldn't recommend me for officer's school. I didn't mind being a simple little soldier doing my little part but I sure as hell didn't want to serve in any position with responsibility involving telling other people what to do. And they're always looking for suckers they can "convince" to enroll.

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TheBigLLS: But I don't really mind because I don't do stuff to get any recognition for them ever (It's kinda beats the point doing so). I actually like doing nice stuff because it makes me feel nice as well, and that's enough for me.
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awalterj: External recognition is fleeting but you'll always remember when you did something good and that certainly is more important so I agree on that.
Thanks a lot for the gift. Really appreciate it.

As for the topic... I don't believe I will change. But I can't be sure because I still not a parent (Have a little more than a year of freedom left!).

What kind of army service you did?
I did mine in as a "Warrior" (One of an israeli terms we use to specify 3 different types of services). In my service (Served on a mini-boat that watched over a border with 10 other guys), I had to dig a little into the "commanding" spectrom because you kinda have to if you are above-average soldier. Can totally relate to you though... Commanding other people is not something I like and probably never will.

Thanks again btw :D
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Brasas: Thanks Walter, I'm redeeming as we speak.

Thanks in particular for the well thought responses to my questions earlier. Truly appreciated.

To add on what you said (quoting above), a favorite book of mine has a dialogue about honor and reputation.
Honor is how you measure yourself, reputation is how others measure you. Usually tension happens when your reputation is lower than you know deserved. However the opposite when your reputation is elevated higher than you know deserved can be much worse.

It's actually interesting to consider how in our zeitgeist of subjectivity, honor is so hard to find.
You're welcome, enjoy the game!


Your definition of honor might be more positive than mine.

Imho, honor is an unwise romantic euphemism for fatalistic ego and is likely to get you killed by others, get you killed by yourself or others killed by you.
Same as religion, honor is an arbitrary man-made list of stuff you’re supposed to do and stuff you aren’t supposed to do, too often based on anything -but- reason and enforced with violence. A vague vessel that can and does get filled with all manner of tragic nonsense such as the notion that when a family’s daughter falls in love with someone her family doesn’t approve of, she needs to be killed to restore honor to the family.
Codes of honor might entail constructive things but they so often don’t that it’s arguably a better idea to generally do away with honor in favour of pragmatism.





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TheBigLLS: Thanks a lot for the gift. Really appreciate it.

As for the topic... I don't believe I will change. But I can't be sure because I still not a parent (Have a little more than a year of freedom left!).

What kind of army service you did?
I did mine in as a "Warrior" (One of an israeli terms we use to specify 3 different types of services). In my service (Served on a mini-boat that watched over a border with 10 other guys), I had to dig a little into the "commanding" spectrom because you kinda have to if you are above-average soldier. Can totally relate to you though... Commanding other people is not something I like and probably never will.

Thanks again btw :D
You're welcome, I hope you like the game - it looks like a run-of-the-mill adventure but believe me, it isn't.

Regarding army service, my primary "character class" was that of IT/communications specialist which entailed setting up all the communication and encryption devices and radio/phones etc as well as radiated beam dishes and so on and once everything ran properly, it was all about trying to not fall asleep while beating your own high score at Windows Pinball and occasionally having to unplug and replug all the cables when an error in the communications occurred - which was the fastest way to find a error.
We weren't allowed to install any games on the army laptop (ran on WIN NT)that coordinates and monitors all the other equipment plus I didn't have a private laptop or a Game Boy or anything. PSP or NDS didn't exist. When other people were around who had their private laptops with them, we mostly played Half-Life multiplayer.
My secondary function was that of cook so I learned how to cook spaghetti for 20 people which is a semi-useful skill. When you cook for 20 people, you better do things right or else 20 people would try to kill you. Or maybe not, because if they'd mess with you they know you can totally fudge up their next meal. Cook is a powerful position! We didn't get around to our secondary functions too much though. I forgot practically everything about the communications stuff because it's different stuff than one uses in civilian life - so I can't betray any secrets even if I wanted to :) Either way, I'm retired from service now.
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awalterj: snip

Imho, honor is an unwise romantic euphemism for fatalistic ego and is likely to get you killed by others, get you killed by yourself or others killed by you.
Same as religion, honor is an arbitrary man-made list of stuff you’re supposed to do and stuff you aren’t supposed to do, too often based on anything -but- reason and enforced with violence. ...

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Hmmm... in the context in which you posted earlier, I see where you went with honor, and why those perspectives of conflict and violence. I was rather referring to your conclusion about doing the good thing and valuing it, even if no one else cares.

That is being truly honorable to me: doing the right thing, despite reputation. So yes, my view on honor is definitively more positive than yours, though I do see how an individual's view on what is good and honorable can be completely at odds with humanity (in both senses). In fact the lens of conflict and war shows that perfectly (again in both senses), which is why I fully agree with you the consequences of honor as system can be quite destructive.

Now, I circle that square by going back to objectivity vs subjectivity - the power of reality over any individual. But enough said on that, it's beating a dead horse, and in your case - me preaching to the choir.
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Brasas:
Nor worries about preaching, your preaching is always welcome!
I'm more worried about being too brain-fried tired to reply to your perceptive posts after a hard day of work up on the mountain.