"If, at the end of the war, the scientific organization, which had been created in order to liberate men for fighting and munition work, had been preserved, and the hours of the week had been cut down to four, all would have been well. "

That means 4 hours per week, not per day, I'm glad that you've read it, though:)
Merci, you are a saint.

99% of ideas are practical ones that are designed to be copied. Artistic ideas rely on their uniqueness - and that is the important word. Unique. Let's say you make a game and put it free on the web, ok? Even if it's very good, as long as you're not trying to advertize it, it might be known to only a small group of people. If this idea were not protected by a simple law, ANYONE could take the game, change the name and sell it. That's someone else using your hard work to make money, completely legally. And you want to tell me that it's perfectly fine? The only thing that you can do today is to take the basic concept and make something different based on it, which does require work, effort, and understanding of the original work (the last one is usually the reason why similar copies just aren't as good as the original)

That's the cute part, you think your ideas are unique. They aren't. Opening in theaters this very week is an adaptation of A Princes of Mars. The John Carter of Mars series (written in a time when they didn't give names to their series, so we've invented two to use) is the genesis of so much modern fantasy and sci-fi it's literally not even funny.

Your ideas aren't all that special, even if they are creative in nature, and you don't deserve any special right to keep some sort of control over it. The only reason you have said right is to help provide an income, should that need vanish, so would your need for control.

You've never created something out of whole cloth. I don't care how creative you think you are, you haven't. The only part of that that's a put down is if you actually think you have.

If you really don't want to share your ideas if you can't somehow control them, that's fine, you're not a slave and you are free to not share. By removing copyright and patent protection we'll have so much creative work to consume we'd need lifetimes to make our way through a fraction of it.

What you're trying to do, however, is portray your hard work as somehow special or unique compared to everyone else's hard work. I'm sorry, it's quite simply probably not. And if you are fed, clothed, and have adequate medical care there's no reason to give you any special rights to ideas.

Must have missed that part, been awhile since I read it. Ignore what I said earlier then.

That's great. Star Trek says we can just create necessities out of thin air. WTF is the relevance?

How does Bertrand Russel claim to know what is/isn't possible and how it can/can't be achieved? The proposition is utterly bizarre.

Gee, dunno, how would he possibly know anything about it...

Maybe you should read it, then find a little bit out about Bertrand Russel. I'll bet the combination of context and knowing who he was will answer your questions.

You know what the problem with this thread is?

About 90% of it MAKES TOO MUCH EFFING SENSE, ergo, it will never be read by anyone of importance in the fight against stupidity, er i mean DRM...

That being said, all the DRM games I own, I have also pirated (because even if I own it, and only download, not upload, its still considered PIRATING... G EFFING G) so I dont have to use a CD, or have an always on connection, or any of the sort of DOWNSIDES that exist with DRM, its that simple.

Speaking on the simple terms, I really have no issue with Steam, they are my #1 provider of games (sorry GOG, your #2), DRM or not, and again, my statement above applies to any DRM game in my Steam library.

To those ends, I have avoided thus far buying any Ubisoft games and also any new EA games because of DRM and of course, Origin.. I mean Steam scans SPECIFIC stuff/info from your PC, and im ok with the hardware and software statistics being scanned, but Origin is a step to far, there is no need to scan and upload things like my MSN/YIM/GTalk chat logs, or my cookies where my bank login details are stored, its WAY over the line! Also, while steam has some games that you have to have Steam launched for, there are still a great many that you dont have to (but are on steam), and even Valve games which premier on Steam dont require Steam for even Single play like newer EA games do... I REALLY REALLY REALLY wanted BF3 and ME3, sadly, no Retail (aka -Origin) or no Steam, means that I will not make those purchase's.



The funny part, is that my statement saying I wont buy it because its integrated with Origin or not on Steam, will, and has been interpreted by those who report the statistics as a "lost" sale due to piracy... not due to a developers stupidity, but piracy... and they get away with this kind of crap every day...


*as a note, while I would like to say im totally against DRM, I never had an issue with original CD-Key DRM that wasnt activation tied, and my only real gripe with it was losing the key and/or CD, some kind of online backup service for key's (or a notepad or some other easy solution) would have worked, or even Steam's tieing your game to your login, and for the most part Steam does a great job with its Offline mode (well, these days at least.. back in beta and early feature days it really sucked sometimes) feature.


Enough of my ramblings... I need some sleep!

Have you ever tried server like that? ;) Most leaked material are versions from early development state and they are "fixed" by amateurs. Because of that they have gazylions of bugs and they are barely playable. Also there are plenty of MMOs that was never leaked.

So even if that 25% of games would leak (and I bet leaking would stop very soon as all copies would be watermarked and it would be easy to find who is responsible for leaks) then it would be nothing in comparison to what is today.

I think you reinvented socialism. It didn't work the last time people tried it and it will not work the next time. Also piracy can hardly be called economics. Come on. Not paying at all and not asking for permission before taking what you want. If this can be called economics then everything is economics even a war.
Now over night I thought about something. You know if everything is twice as expensive then why don't you buy at least half the animes you are pirating currently. This way you pay for the amount that you seem to find fair and even legally own half the amount of what you consume. Of course I would even aim at a higher rate just in case your standard was too low. Surely people would tend to underestimate a fair price rather than overestimate.

But somehow I guess you really won't go for this solution. In the end, the reasons given were only pseudo-reasons maybe? It's mostly about money?

It's bad example if you wanted to prove that removing copyrights will help little guys. If there would no be copyrights laws then Armstrong still would be poor. With copyrights existing Armstrong at least won in court eventually and, even tho it was to late for him to enjoy money and satisfaction because he died, at least his heirs get money.

There are a lot of examples for that copyrights law help little guys (Edison, Bell, Diesel) and examples that lack of them don't help them at all (Kalashnikov, Pajitnov).

Thats the problem if i buy that its against the law too because they are for region usa and i live in europe if it was a movie on internet it would say i may not watch it cause i dont live in that region.

Edison? Are you fucking serious? For starters, Edison didn't make use of copyright, he made use of patents. On top of that, Edison routinely made use of his patents to try to crush innovation and competition (the "little guys"). Do you know why the film industry originally located in Hollywood? It's because Edison used his patents on the motion picture camera to severely restrict what kind of films could be made. Film makers set up shop in California so that they were far enough away from Edison that they could pretty much infringe on his patents with impunity, making the films they actually wanted to make.

your the same asshole that trolled dr.sigmunds mass effect 3 pirate post now you wana play hero? go fuck off

Read my whole discussion with Orc first. We were talking about patents too (his example of Armstrong).

But it doesn't change fact that Edison started as the little one. He might have been the evil one later, but it's not a proof that patents and copyrights shall be removed. Those laws need improvements but removing them entirely would bring much worse effects.