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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1CBXVEoo5M

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FraterPerdurabo: Yeah, it was a little WoW ref ;)
(thought it would be obvious as there's actually no fire involved in the fight!)

I managed to kill him on my first attempt in Hell with my Witch Doctor who is also very squishy, but has a lot of control. I'm not sure how much control Wizard has? In p2 I gather them up in the middle with some survival CDs, then run off to the side and AoE away. It's p3 that's the real bitch, imo.
Remember than in p2 Belial himself can be CC'd, so if you have such abilities, use them liberally (i.e. Hex works on him).

Anyway, I like it how they made the boss fights in D3 more like in WoW. In D2 they were simply gear, level and spec checks. In D3 you actually have to not be shitfisted to be able to defeat bosses.
His green fire thing can be considered fire :D
I turned my mage into a melee machine in P2 on nightmare while spamming Blizzard around me. Not sure if I can actually do that now in Hell. P3's on luck and whether my 2 defensive abilities can hold out.

I don't know whether that's a good thing or not, everything's copying off WoW even the Blizzard devs themselves. It's like they have nothing new to come out with. Butcher fight is also like Heigan's dance in WoW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmArX8GvHLo
Well as long they don't make fights like C'thun, Twin Emps or 4 Horsemen in the original vanilla WoW level 60 Naxx I guess I'm fine.

Haha, if people can down Inferno bosses in seconds, it's still all about outgearing
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cw8: His green fire thing can be considered fire :D
I turned my mage into a melee machine in P2 on nightmare while spamming Blizzard around me. Not sure if I can actually do that now in Hell. P3's on luck and whether my 2 defensive abilities can hold out.

I don't know whether that's a good thing or not, everything's copying off WoW even the Blizzard devs themselves. It's like they have nothing new to come out with. Butcher fight is also like Heigan's dance in WoW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmArX8GvHLo
Well as long they don't make fights like C'thun, Twin Emps or 4 Horsemen in the original vanilla WoW level 60 Naxx I guess I'm fine.

Haha, if people can down Inferno bosses in seconds, it's still all about outgearing
Saying that Butcher is the same as Heigan is like saying that Diablo is the same as KJ, you know, because they're both demons, or like Leotheras, you know because you have to fight your own shadow clone. It's an illogical conclusion that achieves nothing.
What stats should I target as Wizard on Inferno?

Like, what HP and DPS level must I expect to be at?

I played with a DH on Hell last night that did 40k DPS and had 30k HP. That, apparently, just didn't cut it for Inferno.

I like gearing requirements though since I've been damaged by playing too much WoW, but I don't like that Inferno can apparently easily be outgeared too. Maybe we're actually in for content buffs, not content nerfs, because 0.5% of the player population can farm Inferno.
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stonebro: What stats should I target as Wizard on Inferno?

Like, what HP and DPS level must I expect to be at?

I played with a DH on Hell last night that did 40k DPS and had 30k HP. That, apparently, just didn't cut it for Inferno.

I like gearing requirements though since I've been damaged by playing too much WoW, but I don't like that Inferno can apparently easily be outgeared too. Maybe we're actually in for content buffs, not content nerfs, because 0.5% of the player population can farm Inferno.
I guess it might vary from class to class. The Witch Doctor approach is to pretty much neglect VIT and go complete glass cannon, relying on CC and snares to keep yourself alive. 30k HP and 30k DPS is a good benchmark, though people with very good gear currently have ~50k HP and ~40k DPS. The idea is to kill them before they reach you and if they do reach you, use your CDs to stay alive.

But Inferno also has a very steep curve. I was able to start farming A1 Inferno rather quickly with very ghetto gear. I think I started with ~8k DPS. I'm currently on 19k and can comfortably do pretty much anything in A1, but Act 2 is like a brick wall. Other WDs recommended 30k DPS for Act 2, so will keep on farming A1 for a while longer.
I was loving it until I made the mistake of scrolling down to the comments.....

Not only are people slamming them for making a 'bad game' (that I'm willing to bet far more people enjoy playing then not), they're flaming people who dare to say that they enjoy the game......

Why do I even use the internet anymore? :(
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Shadowsetzer: I was loving it until I made the mistake of scrolling down to the comments.....

Not only are people slamming them for making a 'bad game' (that I'm willing to bet far more people enjoy playing then not), they're flaming people who dare to say that they enjoy the game......

Why do I even use the internet anymore? :(
Don't worry about it. This has been a standard thing for a very long time now, especially on YouTube, and especially towards Blizzard.

Jealous people will always be jealous.
I've not played for about a week now, still in nightmare ffff. I'll have more time from tomorrow but I think I'll probably wait until the patch lands to see if it fixes some of the issues I was having. Guessing best estimate would be Wednesday for EU after maintenance?

The videos I've been watching of inferno look awesome. I think it'll inspire epic rage, but I look forward to it. Also going to start hardcore I think, and probably either a Monk or Barbarian but not sure yet.
http://gosugamers.net/diablo/news/19659-guide-getting-into-development-hell-secret-level
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Shadowsetzer: I was loving it until I made the mistake of scrolling down to the comments.....

Not only are people slamming them for making a 'bad game' (that I'm willing to bet far more people enjoy playing then not), they're flaming people who dare to say that they enjoy the game......

Why do I even use the internet anymore? :(
Ah.. so sad to see those comments, and generally all the people hating on D3.. :(

i personally am loving it, and can't seem to stop playing :P
Oh, will definitely beat the crap out of Jay once I complete Nightmare. :)
I enjoy playing it, but I don't think I'll be replaying it after I complete Nightmare with my Barbarian.
To me they seemed to shove WoW elements into the game, and gotten rid of a lot of the elements that to me made Diablo a great game. If I would have known before I bought it, what I know now, I would have waited for a price drop to about $30.
Ah crap on toast there goes my grand plan.

Stash is not shared to hardcore characters.
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stonebro: Ah crap on toast there goes my grand plan.

Stash is not shared to hardcore characters.
That's why it's called hardcore xD
This thread title stinks. "Diablo 3 gameplay discussion: Please don't mention the ******* DRM" would have sufficed. What it implies now with the word "Actual" is that people who bring up the DRM issues are looneys talking about imaginary things.

I want to make it clear that I am posting about the thread title, not the DRM.