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an excerpt from the recent DosBox interview:

"Guillaume:.... many companies do not have their original master copies anymore. We at GOG often have to find those artifacts by ourselves, either by buying games over Ebay and other auction websites, or simply by using the archives of our own staff, who affectionately kept those at their grandma’s place or more simply in their messy cupboards...."

i have always thought that the games here came from immaculate original master copies, but from the sentences above, thats no more true!
how can we ever be sure to play an original game and not a pirated or altered copy?!?
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meudoland: an excerpt from the recent DosBox interview:

"Guillaume:.... many companies do not have their original master copies anymore. We at GOG often have to find those artifacts by ourselves, either by buying games over Ebay and other auction websites, or simply by using the archives of our own staff, who affectionately kept those at their grandma’s place or more simply in their messy cupboards...."

i have always thought that the games here came from immaculate original master copies, but from the sentences above, thats no more true!
how can we ever be sure to play an original game and not a pirated or altered copy?!?
I don't see mentioned anywhere that they download the games from warez sites so I don't see your problem. A master copy and a regular copy bought from a retail outlet are exactly the same data wise.
Even if they obtained the game data files by using "other means" they obviously check them for malware and viruses. Many times the GOG team has to use cracks to remove the DRM so you are not getting a perfect copy anyway.
Post edited January 10, 2011 by OmegaX
I assume they confirm with the publisher that a copy is an accurate reproduction.

Also, if you have the right to use something, you can't really describe acquiring that thing through means that would be considered illegal if you did not have right to it "piracy". Piracy is defined by the use of a copy of something which you are not legally entitled to use.

EDIT: Also, no game you play on GOG is an original. That's what they said - games sold on GOG have to be modified to work on modern systems, and the files are repackaged into the GOG installer. The game itself plays as it is supposed to, though, whereas an unaltered original would not.
Post edited January 10, 2011 by Damuna
GoG are based in Eastern Europe they clearly get all their titles from torrent sources...OK OK calm down just my idea of a bad joke!

I'm guessing said games didn't have DRM,?
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meudoland: i have always thought that the games here came from immaculate original master copies, but from the sentences above, thats no more true!
how can we ever be sure to play an original game and not a pirated or altered copy?!?
You can't.

For example, GOG's FlatOut is no different that the copies that you're going to find on torrent / warez sites. It uses a crack to bypass the copy protection. And they didn't even bother removing the cracker's signature.

A great example of why one shouldn't give a fuck about copy protection / copyrighted works when dealing with digital distributions. Once you get the files, crack them, fuck them... Forget the stupid "license" agreement that you sign with the digital distributor.
Post edited January 10, 2011 by KavazovAngel
Reminds me of Max Payne on Steam, when a user found out that a cracked exe by MYTH had been used to bypass the disc detection. Not that I have a problem with it; I just find it somewhat amusing.
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the_voivod: Reminds me of Max Payne on Steam, when a user found out that a cracked exe by MYTH had been used to bypass the disc detection. Not that I have a problem with it; I just find it somewhat amusing.
Its freaking stupid. Basically, you are paying for pirated game.

Nice way to threat your customers... not!
As long as you get the licence, you don't play pirated copy.
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Egotomb: GoG are based in Eastern Europe they clearly get all their titles from torrent sources...OK OK calm down just my idea of a bad joke!
I think it would be possible, if they couldn't get legal copy, but the copyright holder would have to agree to such action.
Post edited January 10, 2011 by SLP2000
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KavazovAngel: Its freaking stupid. Basically, you are paying for pirated game.
No you're not. In Steam's case I'd wager it was the publisher themselves that used the crack to bypass their own CD check, in GOG's case, they probably have the explicit right from the rights holder(s) to bypass the protection using whatever methods available.

The only way you're paying Steam or GOG for a pirated game would be if they for whatever reason stocked a game without the right holder's permission. Which they don't.

I can't speak for the rights of the original crackers, since it depends on what country the buyer and seller are based in - possibly even where the rights holder to the game has their office and where the cracker is located - and I haven't bothered getting informed about such laws.
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KavazovAngel: Its freaking stupid. Basically, you are paying for pirated game.

Nice way to threat your customers... not!
GOG never has the source code, and the developer rarely has it either. If GOG or the developer were to try to crack it themselves they would simply be covering the same ground as the pirate group to produce an all but identical file. Do you honestly think they would go to all that trouble for nothing?

Cracks are unauthorised derivative works, and pirate groups therefore have no rights over their changes. There's nothing wrong--legally or ethically--with a publisher using a pirate fix to get their product working. You've got a working game, the publisher has your money, everybody's happy--except people like you who complain because the developer/GOG didn't foolishly waste time and money cracking it themselves.
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SLP2000: As long as you get the licence, you don't play pirated copy.
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Egotomb: GoG are based in Eastern Europe they clearly get all their titles from torrent sources...OK OK calm down just my idea of a bad joke!
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SLP2000: I think it would be possible, if they couldn't get legal copy, but the copyright holder would have to agree to such action.
Your right that it isn't pirated the problem for me would be that it isn't a trusted source. But heh all this is taking my joke a little too seriously.
Basically, cracking is the right thing to do. It makes it possible to preserve games for future audiences respectably, and without extra nonsense. A cracked game as a legal end product is really one of the better outcomes we could hope for in digital distribution, and it's part of the reason that GOG is doing so well. There just isn't such a thing as a pristine master copy sometimes, as stated, but GOG is pretty much the closest you're going to get, and obviously it's not like the average consumer is going to know if a crack was used to deliver their content.
Post edited January 10, 2011 by PhoenixWright
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Egotomb: Your right that it isn't pirated the problem for me would be that it isn't a trusted source. But heh all this is taking my joke a little too seriously.
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GameRager: It is a trusted source though as gog checks such for viruses very thoroughly and i'm guessing they show the versions they use for acceptance and verification to the original ip holders as well. :)
Stop it! :)
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Egotomb: Stop it! :)
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GameRager: Stop....what??? :\
Drawing me in to a conversation I'm trying not to be involved further with.

As for the question about your question mark and the question mark that questions the question mark that questions the question mark, I have no idea :P
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Egotomb: Drawing me in to a conversation I'm trying not to be involved further with.

As for the question about your question mark and the question mark that questions the question mark that questions the question mark, I have no idea :P
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GameRager: Oh ok then. I was just offering a bit of advice/info before changing topics anyways. :)
That's OK your entitled to that, to be honest I'm more concerned with myself saying too much rather than you :)