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CityDPRED: Oh Canada, Justine has allowed CCP troops to waltz freely in your lands, but yeah, America is the biggest threat right now.
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kaboro: You sound like you killed your shrink before he had the chance to prescribe you the pills....or you abused some social media channels....same result really.
Smearing USA but refusing to acknowledge own mistakes.
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StingingVelvet: China's global financial influence is probably the number one threat to the West right now, honestly.
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kaboro: United States global financial influence is probably the number one threat to the East right now, honestly.
Also United States active military presence all over the globe, is a threat to the whole of humanity.
Yes, each country has a different position, but who is a threat to the world depends on what the country has done
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I'm digusted by what GOG did, and I don't think I will buy from them anymore
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StingingVelvet: ...The West is more or less tied together when it comes to democratic norms...
I do not know if the US is the best example at the moment (the same can be said over Brazil, Poland and Hungary)
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paladin181: With all due respect, and I do mean with all due respect, what they want doesn't mean anything to me. That ain't worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on.
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Lifthrasil: But since GOG gratefully accepted the Epic-Dollars in their 'Epic-deal', they are now influencable by Tencent. Which is the Chinese governent. We don't know what exactly the 'Epic-Deal' encompasses, but it must have been lucrative for GOG. Otherwise they wouldn't willingly turn themselves into an Epic-subsidiary. So GOG isn't worried about some "gamers". GOG is just worried to lose the chinese money that they get through Epic.
I have never understood why in your eyes Chinese companies investing abroad is politically charged? While I don't support some overly strict censorship and bans by the Chinese government, games sold to Chinese players need to follow Chinese laws, and note that this only applies within China. This game is controversial, it can be shelved in a game area that is not Chinese and just not offered to people in China to play.
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iSteveyang: This game is controversial, it can be shelved in a game area that is not Chinese and just not offered to people in China to play.
The devs already removed the "controversial content"(one easter egg afaik), so there's no need to deny chinese customers from buying it, and yet your country still doesn't seem to want Gog and Steam to sell it.
Post edited December 17, 2020 by GamezRanker
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rick1981ireland: At the end of the day, it's just utterly disgusting to see GOG a Polish company bend the knee to a communist party that has carried out acts of true horror against its own people.

Forget about video games they are supporting a political party that has openly murdered people in the millions. How many Polish people were dumped into mass graves or burned in ovens by similar extreme political parties?

It's utterly sickening in the extreme.
[i]murdered people in the millions?[/I]
Are you talking about China's family planning policy or something else? Please make it clear, I remain skeptical of the malicious propaganda of the Western media to smear China.
Please point out the evidence.
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China seems to be a new boogeyman at the moment.

Blame the West for making them powerful enough because Western Companies wanted Slave La- ahem I mean cheaper labour.
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Elmofongo: China seems to be a new boogeyman at the moment.

Blame the West for making them powerful enough because Western Companies wanted Slave La- ahem I mean cheaper labour.
You do understand that China is extending it's influence far past it's borders (as you can see, they can prevent a store in Poland from selling a game) and the values and goals of the Chinese communist dictatorship are opposite to everything we have?

It is not enough for the CCP that the entire Chinese people are subjugated and brainwashed mindless slaves to them, their goal is to subjugate the entire World.
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Elmofongo: China seems to be a new boogeyman at the moment.

Blame the West for making them powerful enough because Western Companies wanted Slave La- ahem I mean cheaper labour.
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aop: You do understand that China is extending it's influence far past it's borders (as you can see, they can prevent a store in Poland from selling a game) and the values and goals of the Chinese communist dictatorship are opposite to everything we have?

It is not enough for the CCP that the entire Chinese people are subjugated and brainwashed mindless slaves to them, their goal is to subjugate the entire World.
What are we gonna do about it then?

Boycott? Extreme economic ramifications. We have to somehow to convince the world's companies to stop doing business with China.

War? China has Nukes, and allies like Russia, and wars in general are just bloody, messy, and depressing.
Post edited December 17, 2020 by Elmofongo
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Just asking humbly for everyone posting to please not go into straight politics too much, and to try to keep posts somewhat related to topic at hand(the delisting and the game Devotion).

(i ask as else the staff might lock this thread like they've done to so many others)
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iSteveyang: This game is controversial, it can be shelved in a game area that is not Chinese and just not offered to people in China to play.
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GamezRanker: The devs already removed the "controversial content"(one easter egg afaik), so there's no need to deny chinese customers from buying it, and yet your country still doesn't seem to want Gog and Steam to sell it.
We Chinese gamers can't make the government censorship department put some controversial games back on the shelves. This stops players from playing the game all over the world, which is not good. So I think this is limited to China and does not prevent the GOG platform from shelving games in other non-Chinese regions. (What's controversial is not the egg, it's the insult to the current Chinese leader, which I personally don't think matters, but it's not up to me to say what the government does. And I found that the Chinese version of the wiki for this matter is very different from the English translation[url=https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/还愿_(游戏)][/url]. You can translate the Chinese version, mainly look at the "Controversy" section.)
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iSteveyang: We Chinese gamers can't make the government censorship department put some controversial games back on the shelves.
To be clear, I am not blaming the average chinese person for GOG's decision to delist this game.

GOG likely wouldn't have taken the game down for everyone worldwide due to random complaints unless they felt that the chinese market would be denied to them by your own leaders and their policies....as such, such things are likely (even if somehow only indirectly) to blame for GOG's decision, and to me that & GOG's choice is/was not right.

Sidenote: We have games mocking our own leaders and country all the time....imo it's no big deal, and your own leaders need to be able to learn to take a joke & let people play such games.
Post edited December 17, 2020 by GamezRanker
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iSteveyang: I have never understood why in your eyes Chinese companies investing abroad is politically charged? While I don't support some overly strict censorship and bans by the Chinese government, games sold to Chinese players need to follow Chinese laws, and note that this only applies within China. This game is controversial, it can be shelved in a game area that is not Chinese and just not offered to people in China to play.
I have nothing against Western companies operating in China having to follow the Chinese laws.If GOG released this game on their site and blocked it in China I would be okay with it.

The problem here is that GOG isn't releasing the game at all, which makes me as non-Chinese person not living in China, affected by Chinese censorship. And that's something I can't tolerate. If Chinese censorship only stayed in China I wouldn't care, but in this case it's affecting people outside of China as well.
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iSteveyang: I have never understood why in your eyes Chinese companies investing abroad is politically charged? While I don't support some overly strict censorship and bans by the Chinese government, games sold to Chinese players need to follow Chinese laws, and note that this only applies within China. This game is controversial, it can be shelved in a game area that is not Chinese and just not offered to people in China to play.
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LordJF: I have nothing against Western companies operating in China having to follow the Chinese laws.If GOG released this game on their site and blocked it in China I would be okay with it.

The problem here is that GOG isn't releasing the game at all, which makes me as non-Chinese person not living in China, affected by Chinese censorship. And that's something I can't tolerate. If Chinese censorship only stayed in China I wouldn't care, but in this case it's affecting people outside of China as well.
I do , as we have moral high ground and our companies should follow those, same for our citizens , they should still follow our laws outside of our territories