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Call me extremely nitpicky or whatever, but this image just ruins Fallout for me more so than Fallout Equestria.


http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/377160/ss_f3b094ce4bb54e1970abbd4fc7da3a0576894aae.1920x1080.jpg?t=1435867986

No don't associate Fallout like it was some Retro 8-bit NES game or something. Fallout was a PC CRPG with beautiful pre-rendered graphics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geLiEiAiQJA
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Elmofongo: Call me extremely nitpicky or whatever, but this image just ruins Fallout for me more so than Fallout Equestria.

http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/377160/ss_f3b094ce4bb54e1970abbd4fc7da3a0576894aae.1920x1080.jpg?t=1435867986

No don't associate Fallout like it was some Retro 8-bit NES game or something. Fallout was a PC CRPG with beautiful pre-rendered graphics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geLiEiAiQJA
Bethesda cannot into retrofuturism.
um... ok. I saw some dirt in the ground in Fallout New Vegas. I don't think of Fallout as dirtism!
I see Bethesda is still struggling to figure out how to do Fallout humor.
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Sufyan: I see Bethesda is still struggling to figure out how to do Fallout humor.
Why do you think this is actually a part of the game? As far as I am aware that was them just showing off in a tech demo. Though why have a sense of humour when the fans clearly don't have one either.
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Sufyan: I see Bethesda is still struggling to figure out how to do Fallout humor.
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darthspudius: Why do you think this is actually a part of the game? As far as I am aware that was them just showing off in a tech demo. Though why have a sense of humour when the fans clearly don't have one either.
I knew I what I said was far fetched but I didn't expect a response like this. I did of course realise the screenshot is not in-universe, but the content made me think of something else. I'm taking a stab at the terrible writing and use of Fallout iconography throughout Fallout 3. The screenshot in the OP looks like more bottom of the barrel scrapings from a team that just don't seem to understand what the heart of Fallout is or what it looks, sounds and feels like.

"Hey-o! It's the pipboy again, the guy that all Fallout fans looove, amarite!? Are you guys excited to see more huge explosions and buy more merchandise and DLC? I know we are very excited to bring you more awe-awe-awesome stuff! Subscribe to our blogs, twitter, instagram and facebook and never miss any updates. We are real gamers just like you and we really want to show you all this great stuff we are working on. Catch y'all after the apocalypse! War never changes!"

*loud facepalm*
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darthspudius: Why do you think this is actually a part of the game? As far as I am aware that was them just showing off in a tech demo. Though why have a sense of humour when the fans clearly don't have one either.
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Sufyan: I knew I what I said was far fetched but I didn't expect a response like this. I did of course realise the screenshot is not in-universe, but the content made me think of something else. I'm taking a stab at the terrible writing and use of Fallout iconography throughout Fallout 3. The screenshot in the OP looks like more bottom of the barrel scrapings from a team that just don't seem to understand what the heart of Fallout is or what it looks, sounds and feels like.

"Hey-o! It's the pipboy again, the guy that all Fallout fans looove, amarite!? Are you guys excited to see more huge explosions and buy more merchandise and DLC? I know we are very excited to bring you more awe-awe-awesome stuff! Subscribe to our blogs, twitter, instagram and facebook and never miss any updates. We are real gamers just like you and we really want to show you all this great stuff we are working on. Catch y'all after the apocalypse! War never changes!"

*loud facepalm*
Ah you're one of those. Fan boys man. urgh.
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Sufyan: I knew I what I said was far fetched but I didn't expect a response like this. I did of course realise the screenshot is not in-universe, but the content made me think of something else. I'm taking a stab at the terrible writing and use of Fallout iconography throughout Fallout 3. The screenshot in the OP looks like more bottom of the barrel scrapings from a team that just don't seem to understand what the heart of Fallout is or what it looks, sounds and feels like.

"Hey-o! It's the pipboy again, the guy that all Fallout fans looove, amarite!? Are you guys excited to see more huge explosions and buy more merchandise and DLC? I know we are very excited to bring you more awe-awe-awesome stuff! Subscribe to our blogs, twitter, instagram and facebook and never miss any updates. We are real gamers just like you and we really want to show you all this great stuff we are working on. Catch y'all after the apocalypse! War never changes!"

*loud facepalm*
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darthspudius: Ah you're one of those. Fan boys man. urgh.
Not at all. I never finished any of the Fallout games. I have no emotional investment in any of the games, and certainly have very little monetary investment in them. My bitterness comes from how a few of the games are made by intelligent and creative people who know how to craft a world and make it interesting, and certain games in the series are full of inept game design and atrociously bad writing.

The G.O.A.T and Megaton are two examples of design decisions that are so ill-concieved it makes me embarassed to call myself a gamer. I don't think gamers are necessarily mindless consumers who will applaud like trained seals when shown certain imagery and making it rain with their wallets, but parts of the leadership at Bethesda appears to think that way. Ok, so I'm not a fan boy, but I will admit I'm unhealthily cynical about Bethesda.
Post edited August 22, 2015 by Sufyan
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darthspudius: Ah you're one of those. Fan boys man. urgh.
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Sufyan: Not at all. I never finished any of the Fallout games. I have no emotional investment in any of the games, and certainly have very little monetary investment in them. My bitterness comes from how a few of the games are made by intelligent and creative people who know how to craft a world and make it interesting, and certain games in the series are full of inept game design and atrociously bad writing.

The G.O.A.T and Megaton are two examples of design decisions that are so ill-concieved it makes me embarassed to call myself a gamer. I don't think gamers are necessarily mindless consumers who will applaud like trained seals when shown certain imagery and making it rain with their wallets, but parts of the leadership at Bethesda appears to think that way. Ok, so I'm not a fan boy, but I will admit I'm unhealthily cynical about Bethesda.
haha i just just pulling your leg btw.
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Sufyan: I knew I what I said was far fetched but I didn't expect a response like this. I did of course realise the screenshot is not in-universe, but the content made me think of something else. I'm taking a stab at the terrible writing and use of Fallout iconography throughout Fallout 3. The screenshot in the OP looks like more bottom of the barrel scrapings from a team that just don't seem to understand what the heart of Fallout is or what it looks, sounds and feels like.

"Hey-o! It's the pipboy again, the guy that all Fallout fans looove, amarite!? Are you guys excited to see more huge explosions and buy more merchandise and DLC? I know we are very excited to bring you more awe-awe-awesome stuff! Subscribe to our blogs, twitter, instagram and facebook and never miss any updates. We are real gamers just like you and we really want to show you all this great stuff we are working on. Catch y'all after the apocalypse! War never changes!"

*loud facepalm*
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darthspudius: Ah you're one of those. Fan boys man. urgh.
I was properly introduced to Fallout through Fallout 3 (I was 5 years old by the time Fallout 1 came out)

And I liked the more darker,serious, and depressing vibe of Fallout than the Humor, "let's have a laugh in the apocalypse."
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darthspudius: Ah you're one of those. Fan boys man. urgh.
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Elmofongo: I was properly introduced to Fallout through Fallout 3 (I was 5 years old by the time Fallout 1 came out)

And I liked the more darker,serious, and depressing vibe of Fallout than the Humor, "let's have a laugh in the apocalypse."
Fallout 1 and especially 2 have a style of humor that balances between 'dark & dry' and 'darkly over the top', but both styles were quite smoothly intergrated with the world. You are alone in a mad world and the designers play with the fact that the player will understand references and homages while the player character does not. That means that even when the humor goes to some extreme it doesn't necessarily hurt the in-game universe because the jokes are for the player, not the character. I think this is partly helped by how most conversations in the games are not voice acted, so the player will be reading them for himself and internalising it. The fun is happening on the inside.

Enter the first 20 minutes with Fallout 3 and the humor is swaying between some dark and dry irony to really awkward and unfunny over the top comedy. Time to take the G.O.A.T! The player is asked (in character) to answer some really bizarre questions with very violent and morally deplorable ABCD answers... in character, in universe... Yes, in really obscure moments the original games did stuff like this too but those were often in random encounters that had nothing to do with the plot and could perhaps be discarded as not truly happening, that they are just the imaginings of a lonely desert wanderer. Here in Fallout 3 this is really happening in the main narrative. The game designers are saying "Look, we have over the top dark humor juuuuust like the originals! Classic Fallout humor!". No. You really don't. No one can believe in the universe you have created when you have voice acted characters participating in something so uncharacteristic for the setting. It is a farce. It is impossible that something so goofy and hamfisted can be taken seriously by other characters in the game as if it is actually happening. There is even one guy still struggling with the last question where all answers are identical. No. That could not happen. It would have been worth a chuckle if the G.O.A.T was something you stumbled upon in written form in the desert, then it would serve as commentary for you as a player on life in the vault as well as be a crude throwaway gag. But it is not an easter egg. It takes place in a verifiable in-universe reality with other characters. Your character is doing this, it is not the game breaking the fourth wall talking to the player, but it is something completely ridiculous and implausible happening in the story.

I can imagine that for a first time Fallout player the unfunny and crass attempt at humor comes from nowhere. For a veteran player it is obviously a failed attempt at capturing the nuances of Fallout by a team who do not know what they are doing.
Post edited August 25, 2015 by Sufyan
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Elmofongo: Call me extremely nitpicky or whatever, but this image just ruins Fallout for me more so than Fallout Equestria.

http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/377160/ss_f3b094ce4bb54e1970abbd4fc7da3a0576894aae.1920x1080.jpg?t=1435867986

No don't associate Fallout like it was some Retro 8-bit NES game or something. Fallout was a PC CRPG with beautiful pre-rendered graphics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geLiEiAiQJA
That is only supposed to be an example of user created content. Not a representation of the game itself. So yes, the attribute "extremely nitpicky" sounds appropriate in this case. Certainly nothing to warrant a complete "ruining" of Fallout 4. You certainly could complain with some degree of legitimacy that the new fallout is a bit like Minecraft with a AAA budget, but that is just optional content that you can completely ignore. So, not really ruining anything either.

From a roleplaying perspective, I could argue that since the Vault Dwellers are exposed to the Vault Boy on a dayly basis on their Pip-boy and leaflets and Vault-Tech marketing stuff, the Vault Boy would have become a Pop Icon for them. And if you have a limited set of squared displays to make a reproduction of the Vault Boy, you would instinctively create something resembling 8-bit pixel art.

PS: if I offended you in some way, please accept my appologies. I am not a native english speaker.
(Also I am drunk).
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Elmofongo: Call me extremely nitpicky or whatever, but this image just ruins Fallout for me more so than Fallout Equestria.

http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/377160/ss_f3b094ce4bb54e1970abbd4fc7da3a0576894aae.1920x1080.jpg?t=1435867986

No don't associate Fallout like it was some Retro 8-bit NES game or something. Fallout was a PC CRPG with beautiful pre-rendered graphics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geLiEiAiQJA
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LazyAndroid: That is only supposed to be an example of user created content. Not a representation of the game itself. So yes, the attribute "extremely nitpicky" sounds appropriate in this case. Certainly nothing to warrant a complete "ruining" of Fallout 4. You certainly could complain with some degree of legitimacy that the new fallout is a bit like Minecraft with a AAA budget, but that is just optional content that you can completely ignore. So, not really ruining anything either.

From a roleplaying perspective, I could argue that since the Vault Dwellers are exposed to the Vault Boy on a dayly basis on their Pip-boy and leaflets and Vault-Tech marketing stuff, the Vault Boy would have become a Pop Icon for them. And if you have a limited set of squared displays to make a reproduction of the Vault Boy, you would instinctively create something resembling 8-bit pixel art.

PS: if I offended you in some way, please accept my appologies. I am not a native english speaker.
(Also I am drunk).
I'm the opposite. I am a Puerto Rican born with Puerto Rican families and I don't know much of Spanish (My mother brought me to the USA when she was in the army while I was still 3 years old)

Also I did not know the "Pixle Vault Boy" was an example of Mods? I saw that image during the official trailer for Fallout 4.
Yeah it looks stupid. I'm with the OP on this. Fallout 4 looks BLAH to me. I really hate the character creation with the wife standing over your shoulder. Like, how does a white guy turn into a black guy right in front of his wife? Seems like they could have created a more realistic way of allowing you to customize your character. The way Fallout 3 did it was better.
It does seem off the mark. I can understand Elmofongo's reservations on this. I don't get the feeling that they really "get" the world or theme 100%.