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hi, i have Fallen Enchantress

min req: (gog)

Processor: 2.2 GHz Dual-Core Processor CHECK
Memory: 2 GB RAM 8 GB check

Graphics: 512 MB DirectX 9.0c Compliant Video Card w/Pixel Shader 2.0 (Radeon x1600 / GeForce 6800 or better)

--> this gpu is older then my GTS 250 1 gb ram so according to the internet its faster

DirectX 9.0c
Hard Drive: 5 GB Space
DirectX 9.0c Compatible Sound Card
Mouse, Keyboard

recommended (source: steam)

Recommended:
Processor:2.2 GHz Dual-Core Processor
Memory:2 GB RAM
Graphics:256 MB DirectX 9.0c Compliant Video Card w/Pixel Shader 2.0 (Radeon X3800 / GeForce 7900)

when searching for : GeForce 7900
it gives this one: 7900 GS ( i cant find 7900) so i assume this is the same

When i compare these to my GTS 250 (gpu.userbenchmark.com claims my GPU card is better)

UserBenchmark: Nvidia GeForce GTS 250 vs GeForce 7900 GS
Effective 3D Gaming GPU Speed: 8.7% vs 0.29%
Nvidia GeForce GTS 250 - 197th / 499
Nvidia GeForce 7900 GS - 463rd / 499
But i hear and see my pc 'struggling' with the game (cpu and gpu utilities show it) even at launch , so if the GTS 250 is indeed better then the recommended 7900 then why is the game so heavy for my pc?

My gts 250 makes a weird noise when running this game, as a matter a fact, 99% of unity games
i have seem to heat up my cpu and gpu, since its fall now the ambient temps are much lower so these are not to blame.

My quad core 2.67 from my i5 750 is also at 60 degrees celsius 59 on other cores, cpu usage is a t least 25 to 30% continously

Tj max is only 98 degrees celcius, is it wise to have this or any other unity game running for a long period of time at this speed an temperature?

At start of the game its already at 60degrees, normally its 34 tot 39 degrees celcius so thats quite a jump in temps.

Would it be safe to have this going on during a 1 or 2 hour gamesession ?
In the settings i set everything to the minimum, disabled lots of things, turned of sound, msuic, zooming but the pc is still strained.

When i close the game its back to normal almost instantly: 39degrees average compared to 60 or 64 degrees when running the game.
Celestian Tales - Old North also a unity game is only at 16-20% cpu
Post edited December 10, 2015 by gamesfreak64
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This is a longshot but try turning vsync on if that's a graphic option.

Edit: I mean it might help you with your overheating problem. Dunno why really but sometimes it just works.
Post edited December 10, 2015 by Tarm
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gamesfreak64: At start of the game its already at 60degrees, normally its 34 tot 39 degrees celcius so thats quite a jump in temps.

Would it be safe to have this going on during a 1 or 2 hour gamesession ?
In the settings i set everything to the minimum, disabled lots of things, turned of sound, msuic, zooming but the pc is still strained.

When i close the game its back to normal almost instantly: 39degrees average compared to 60 or 64 degrees when running the game.
Celestian Tales - Old North also a unity game is only at 16-20% cpu
I've got the same kind of problem with my computer... Except that mine goes from his usual "around 55-60°C" to "Argh almost 80°C" (I've got a 6 years old laptop).
This games seems particularly heating my computer, and if I play it, it will be in short sessions (1hour max), and apparently absolutely not during summer. But in your case, I don't think it's very worrying, especially if you don't play very long sessions : 1-2 hours sessions doesn't seems too much, especially if the temperature only go to 60°C which seems reasonable for me. But I'm absolutely not a specialist, and may be wrong, so don't take this as something absolutely certain.
What I know for sure is that computers don't like heat at all. The more it heats, the sooner it will/may die (and the worse your performances will be).

I found this which may be may help you, especially the part concerning the framerate limiter. I can't try it myself because I've got an ATI Mobility Radeon and can't update my driver (because all the latest are broken for my videocard, so I have to stick with one old one). And on this mod page (which I don't know at all if it is still adapted to latests versions of the game unfortunately), the author gives lot of tips of how to configure the options of the game to increase performances.
Hope this helps a little :)
Post edited December 11, 2015 by Splatsch
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Tarm: This is a longshot but try turning vsync on if that's a graphic option.

Edit: I mean it might help you with your overheating problem. Dunno why really but sometimes it just works.
thanks for the reply, i disabled it, i makes a small diference : 1 or 2 degrees but all things are welcome
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gamesfreak64: At start of the game its already at 60degrees, normally its 34 tot 39 degrees celcius so thats quite a jump in temps.

Would it be safe to have this going on during a 1 or 2 hour gamesession ?
In the settings i set everything to the minimum, disabled lots of things, turned of sound, msuic, zooming but the pc is still strained.

When i close the game its back to normal almost instantly: 39degrees average compared to 60 or 64 degrees when running the game.
Celestian Tales - Old North also a unity game is only at 16-20% cpu
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Splatsch: I've got the same kind of problem with my computer... Except that mine goes from his usual "around 55-60°C" to "Argh almost 80°C" (I've got a 6 years old laptop).
This games seems particularly heating my computer, and if I play it, it will be in short sessions (1hour max), and apparently absolutely not during summer. But in your case, I don't think it's very worrying, especially if you don't play very long sessions : 1-2 hours sessions doesn't seems too much, especially if the temperature only go to 60°C which seems reasonable for me. But I'm absolutely not a specialist, and may be wrong, so don't take this as something absolutely certain.
What I know for sure is that computers don't like heat at all. The more it heats, the sooner it will/may die (and the worse your performances will be).

I found this which may be may help you, especially the part concerning the framerate limiter. I can't try it myself because I've got an ATI Mobility Radeon and can't update my driver (because all the latest are broken for my videocard, so I have to stick with one old one). And on this mod page (which I don't know at all if it is still adapted to latests versions of the game unfortunately), the author gives lot of tips of how to configure the options of the game to increase performances.
Hope this helps a little :)
thanks for the reply
as for driver updating: it seems my old 2009 nividiacard has 'reached' its latest update , been using that driver for almost 7 months and i dont see any update, i guess the devs arent very sure of their own games :D happens a lot, in fact it happens way too much.

I found out that 90% of unity(3d engine created games are performing evry bad on a avergae computer, only the big bad boys under the pc can handle these properly, i dont have the cash to get myself a hightech pc, i cant keep up, i might be able to afford a 'new' (self buils) computer maybe once i 3 to 4 years.

As far a i can tell all my stuff seems to be bought 2009 so the pc is 4 years old at least, but the game industry is using 'easy' software to create games, i mean unity engine? in the past wonderful games were created without that
'tool'.

I think that if games use the unity the devs should mention that in the specs, this way users like me and many other users with average pc , can make use of that, so they know that performance problems /heating problemns might show up.
I think that if one ahs a very big pc , expensive one, with lots of coolers/fans and all the glory stuff(big bucks cards etc ect) they wont notice the 'burning' of the pc because their pc are so powerfull.

The one game that uses unity that seems to work ok so far for me is Celestian Tales - Old North
i also have some hog (Hidden Object Games(these are called casual games) using uniuty and its a nightmare
my specs are more then enough to run them at recommended but the unity engine is messing it up by heating to much.
I have at least 2 HOG now that use it and boy, the heat is on when these games run.

Frankenstein - Master of Death (unity engine)
Fall Of The New Age CE (unity engine)


these dont appear to have the unity dll and files, but they sure make the pc heat up

Clockwork Tales - Of Glass and Ink CE
Nearwood
Runaway Express Mystery
Dark Strokes - The Legend of the Snow Kingdom CE

I did find out that 75% of the casual uses things like smoke and rain, like particle effects
i guess these are heating up things, so thats why i allways suggested in game devs fora
to add options to disable all that particle stuff, lightnings, smokes, waving trees, rievrs, steam animation and more like these, fallout classic and jagged allaince classics and all other good classic had none of these
and i bought them plenty, i dont need these enhancements, i'd buy the game if i like it and enhancments dont add fun for me.

Conclusion unity created games is 'bad thing' for people who have average machines or use laptops.
I have lots of newer games with higher req. and these run fine cause they dont use unity.


Anyway thanks for the reply, i still hope there be coming more small devs who create games the classic way without all the 3d chars, unity, smoke, physics, and all that stuff that make the min. req and rec. req. so high.

At the moment i am still trying the Underrail alpha demo, it has lots of flaws, and alot could be done better (personnaly i think they want to put to much info at the screen at one time, the screen is clogged and hard to navigate
fighting is awkward, i liked the classic fallout approach better, you walk or run, then when enemies are in the vicinity the combat turned to turnbased and the options were displayed.
The inventory of underrail is to tiny, the 'info windows' look too vectorish , they should blend in more like classic fallouts did... so theres a long way to go for underrail , i try it out now cause it looks like some classic so thats why i am giving it a try.
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gamesfreak64: thanks for the reply
You're welcome :)
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gamesfreak64: as for driver updating: it seems my old 2009 nividiacard has 'reached' its latest update , been using that driver for almost 7 months and i dont see any update, i guess the devs arent very sure of their own games :D happens a lot, in fact it happens way too much.
Lucky you, I'm on a 3 or 4 years old driver XD
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gamesfreak64: I found out that 90% of unity(3d engine created games are performing evry bad on a avergae computer, only the big bad boys under the pc can handle these properly, i dont have the cash to get myself a hightech pc, i cant keep up, i might be able to afford a 'new' (self buils) computer maybe once i 3 to 4 years.
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Conclusion unity created games is 'bad thing' for people who have average machines or use laptops
I have lots of newer games with higher req. and these run fine cause they dont use unity.
I don't know if it is Unity related, but for me : devs actually often don't care enough (or even at all) about optimization, and they should.
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gamesfreak64: Anyway thanks for the reply, i still hope there be coming more small devs who create games the classic way without all the 3d chars, unity, smoke, physics, and all that stuff that make the min. req and rec. req. so high.
Here I must say I agree : Fallen Enchantress Legendary Heroes could really run well on my computer without heating it that much. Some more options to configure graphical options for example would have been welcome.
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gamesfreak64: At the moment i am still trying the Underrail alpha demo, [..] i try it out now cause it looks like some classic so thats why i am giving it a try.
It sounds interesting :) I hope it will develop in a way it corrects it's flaws ; I wish you fun ! :D
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gamesfreak64: thanks for the reply
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Splatsch: You're welcome :)
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gamesfreak64: as for driver updating: it seems my old 2009 nividiacard has 'reached' its latest update , been using that driver for almost 7 months and i dont see any update, i guess the devs arent very sure of their own games :D happens a lot, in fact it happens way too much.
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Splatsch: Lucky you, I'm on a 3 or 4 years old driver XD
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gamesfreak64: I found out that 90% of unity(3d engine created games are performing evry bad on a avergae computer, only the big bad boys under the pc can handle these properly, i dont have the cash to get myself a hightech pc, i cant keep up, i might be able to afford a 'new' (self buils) computer maybe once i 3 to 4 years.
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Conclusion unity created games is 'bad thing' for people who have average machines or use laptops
I have lots of newer games with higher req. and these run fine cause they dont use unity.
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Splatsch: I don't know if it is Unity related, but for me : devs actually often don't care enough (or even at all) about optimization, and they should.
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gamesfreak64: Anyway thanks for the reply, i still hope there be coming more small devs who create games the classic way without all the 3d chars, unity, smoke, physics, and all that stuff that make the min. req and rec. req. so high.
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Splatsch: Here I must say I agree : Fallen Enchantress Legendary Heroes could really run well on my computer without heating it that much. Some more options to configure graphical options for example would have been welcome.
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gamesfreak64: At the moment i am still trying the Underrail alpha demo, [..] i try it out now cause it looks like some classic so thats why i am giving it a try.
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Splatsch: It sounds interesting :) I hope it will develop in a way it corrects it's flaws ; I wish you fun ! :D
thanks for the replies, and it is a bit of a shame that most devs dont care about optimization, back in the old gaming days most of the devs would include on/of swicthes on the menu to make sure the game would run on as much computers as possible, too bad they dont seem to care nowadays.
Anyway, some dev like Xulima team do care about it , they made it possible to disable the lightnings in a config file.
I hope the underrail devs will do the same or include on/.of switches cause like i said, less is usually more for me, i dont care about dozens of lightming/light/rain/ explosion effects that makes your eyes hurt, simple games can be fun to.
solution:
this problem is also solved by uninstalling the game and hide iton the shelves so this topic can be closed: